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[–] UndergroundGoblin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 6 days ago (15 children)

Eating and using animals when there is a plant-based alternative is wrong and should not be done.

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Ok so genuine question (and also my odd moral I guess?) why is eating a plant more moral than eating an animal? They're both equally alive and subsequently equally dead. Sure plants don't have a nervous system but they do react to harmful stimuli in a way somewhat analagous to a pain response. The only real difference appears to be that we can relate to animals more.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 19 points 6 days ago

Eat plants: plants die

Eat animals: animals have to eat a bunch of plants first meaning way more plants die and also animals die

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (25 children)

Plants don't have an agent that feels negative or positive feelings. Its stimulus-response system starts and stops at that. Animals on the other hand can experience suffering and pleasure, and and it's morally wrong to inflict the first and deny the second

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[–] UndergroundGoblin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 6 days ago (8 children)

Would you say that cutting a carrot is equal to cut the throat of a cow?

Plants do not have a central nervous system or a brain so they are not able to feel pain or emotions. Animals can feel, dream, have friends, same as we do. Just not as complex.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

If that's the litmus test, then there are certainly animals that aren't sentient and don't meet those requirements. Is it OK to eat animals that do not have brains?

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago

Actually, (correct me if i'm wrong) carrots are not dead until you boil/cook them.

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[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

You are also denying oxygen to those cows

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[–] amos@mander.xyz 3 points 6 days ago

I think this is the one thing that is impossible to defend. In my opinion, not being vegan is impossible to justify, on ethical and moral grounds. And I am not vegan currently (I was in the past).

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Make the plants free and people will naturally eat more of them.

Probably. It's a shame that meat is so heavily subsidized. Without the subsidies, meat would be far too expensive for normal earners. In my country (Germany), for example, you pay 19% tax on oat milk and 7% on cow's milk. Because cow's milk is considered a staple food...🤡

[–] blindbandit@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] UndergroundGoblin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)
[–] blindbandit@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm genuinely asking. People approach this topic from different sides, and I want to understand.

Because I think it is wrong to kill an individual if it is not necessary. Calorie intake is not a legitimate reason if it can also be plant-based.

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[–] head_socj@midwest.social -4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Plant-basee alternatives are such a joke to me.Plant based meats and alternative milks are built upon an infrastructure that demands massive resource extraction from third world countries, buttressed by an impoverished underclass that suffers generational trauma to feed the transactional corporate machine. Just don't eat meat; veggies, fruit, and legumes are all you need.

[–] girsaysdoom@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 days ago

You're right, they aren't perfect but they are better than meat in most cases. If a plants based meat alternative is what it takes for someone to reduce or stop their meat intake then that's a moral improvement in my book.

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