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The lab leak theory never had any evidence.
Sorry to be overly harsh. I'll edit my comment.
Honestly it's cool. Personally I try to be very objective, scientific, and factual about stuff, but I've 100% been wrong about things in the past. I think the measure of a person is their ability to admit a mistake in the face of irrefutable evidence against their POV.
Also non scientific bodies have been chiming in to promote the theory. With the whole anti-China thing going on, it's gotten a lot more traction that it should have. If the superstructure wants this idea to become mainstream, it can and did.
That is still a possibility but given the conditions of some of the illegal wet markets in China, it is significantly more likely to have stemmed from one of those. I was reading the book Spillover, which was written before COVID, and they went to some wet markets around where SARS originated and while there were more regulations around wet markets, they were largely ignored. The author basically concluded that it was still a ripe environment for another SARS outbreak.
Investigate fort detrick. At least there was some substance to the accusations against that place
And yeah I was against removing downvotes when it happened, but it truly has only been a boon for site culture
I mean... He did author the crime bill. Dude hung out with white supremacists and was against bussing. Considering the fact that the schools were active all the way up to 1997, that's probably a better simile than you think.
You kinda lost me at the rest, I thought we were just mentioning atrocities. Your point is that we should punish people that hurt kids? Or are you trying to justify the existence of schools that tore away children from their parents due to racist assumptions about "christianizing" children?
Nah it wasn't a typo. Hexbear had a discussion about removing downvotes, I was against removing downvotes, but they were removed anyway. I mentioned that because you spoke on site culture.
I gotta say I don't really see how Biden has made things better. Climate change is still not being taken seriously, were embroiled in yet another war, the military budget has been increased yet again, more people died of covid under Biden, abortion isn't a right anymore, LGBTQ are more threatened, the police has gotten more funding, Europe is entering a recession due to following America's demands of cutting off Russian fuel, the US is pretty likely to enter a recession as well.
If you're interested in these left-wing critiques I'd recommend watching "some more news".
I chose hexbear because it was created by old r/chapotraphouse users in anticipation of the sub getting banned - incidentally for "calls for violence" though the only example Reddit could make was us calling for "death to slavers".
I've stayed here because of its pro LGBTQ-stance and its great and knowledgeful userbase wrt discussions of news and world events. It's the only place where I don't see people take news at face value, but instead investigate the truth of claims - no matter where the claims come from. It's the only place where I've seen such skepticism be hailed rather critiqued
I haven't seen anything about this, could you point me towards someplace where I can learn more? Last I heard he'd crushed the strike, and people were quitting in droves.
His infrastructure bill did also give billions to both Ukraine and the MIC. There's a lot of other critiques that I can't really be bothered to get into right now, but if you're genuinely interested I'd recommend making a post on hexbear asking about it. Though a lot of the users are prickly, they do welcome and enjoy open and honest good-faith discussions, which it is my impression you are seeking.
There were many offramps to handle both the pandemic and the war in Ukraine, neither were inevitable. The alarms about covid were rung early, but ignored. I don't know if you recall but China was mocked by both European and American media for "alarmism" before the pandemic came to their nations.
I'm no fan of trump, but I don't see how we're closer to a nuclear war then than now. Were actively involved in a conflict with a nuclear power that has threatened to use said nukes.
Under Trump the North and South Korea's engaged in peace talks for the first time. The us signed a deal to pull out of Afghanistan. The middle eastern countries begang to engage diplomatically with one another.
I would encourage you to engage with hexbears newscomm and the megathread on it. I would also encourage you to visit the site and continue your discussion as you do now.
Don't worry about it, were several comments deep on a political discussion on a political meme posted on a forum run by Marxists. I could've chosen to disengage or redirect you at any point.
It's been a joy, thank you for an open and good-faith discussion with kind language even when I was prickly.
I sincerely encourage you to visit hexbear and ask questions - either in a post or as a comment to relevant news discussions.
Edit: just saw your edit about the supreme court.
Biden could have gone past the supreme court by enshrining Roe v Wade with executive decisions. The Dems could have enshrined it years ago. Biden could've packed the courts. RBG could've stepped down under Obama, as she was asked to do. There were several offramps.
The fact that none were taken is a sign that the Dems are at best feckless and at worst republicans - either way the result of their rule is the same as a republican government
While it's not entirely ruled out, the lab leak hypothesis is looking less and less likely for a variety of reasons. The most likely suspect at this time is a raccoon dog sold at a specific wet market in Wuhan about 7 miles away from the WIV lab. This has not been proven yet either, it's just the most likely, so ultimately we still don't actually know.
There was a deep-dive article about it in the NYT Magazine recently.
It was always bogus and has always been ruled out by anyone even remotely serious. Giving into that theory just feeds racist bigotry. If you wanna get conspiracy-brained then Fort Detrick is a much better bet anyway.
You are a liar and an intellectual coward.
That's a drastic reaction. Did I scratch you, racist?
I just looked into the claims at the time and afterwards. They were led by politicians and they were mocked and critiqued at the time.
it was always just led by us politicians wanting to blame someone other than themselves for their terrible handling of covid.
Of course you already know this, you just want an excuse to say "China bad". You could've posted some sources instead of insulting me, but then again there aren't really anyone credible to post about <3
Pretty sure that Mickey Mouse and Randy Marsh caused it. Shouldn't have fucked that pangolin.
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