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[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

America certainly doesn't value human life either, and I didn't claim that. I'm not really educated on civilian casualties in different wars, I was mainly referring to all their military personnel.

Russia routinely sends in waves of poorly equipped soldiers just like the earlier mention of them using Wagner in "meat waves", however this isn't exclusive to Wagner and Nazis, its just how the Russian armed forces operate.

A recent example I can recall is north Korean troops being used in the exact same manner, being sent In unprepared, poorly equipped, with no real heavy equipment support, where they promptly die by fpv drone.

Training conditions for new soldiers is also extremely poor before they're shipped out, at least it appeared that way in the past when I viewed many videos from new soldiers in Russia being trained. However that was a while ago, and who knows maybe it was all us/Ukraine propaganda videos.

I'm not gonna pretend to know everything, or claim I'm immune to propaganda. I certainty consumed a lot of western propaganda especially earlier in the war, I appreciate hearing all your differing opinions but at least on this point it seems comical to me to suggest Russia cares about the lives of their soldiers.

[–] starkillerfish@hexbear.net 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The « meat wave » myth came from nazis in ww2. It doesn’t reflect reality.

[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

When I left the comment I almost said "meat waves" (propaganda term?) lol.

I say it because early in the war I was quite into watching combat videos of people dying (unhealthy) and meatwave was a very good description for a significant portion of the videos I watched.

[–] john_brown@hexbear.net 15 points 2 days ago

Early in the war, when the LPR and DPR paramilitary troops were the front-line soldiers, not Russians? Russian troops were operating artillery, support, radar, missile, etc - not fighting on the front line.

[–] john_brown@hexbear.net 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

America certainly doesn't value human life either, and I didn't claim that. I'm not really educated on civilian casualties in different wars, I was mainly referring to all their military personnel.

Okay, if you're not willing to do a little bit of research, here's a paragraph from Wikipedia, which is exceedingly forgiving to the West:

Population-based studies produce estimates of the number of Iraq War casualties** ranging from 151,000 violent deaths as of June 2006** (per the Iraq Family Health Survey)** to 1,033,000 excess deaths** (per the 2007 Opinion Research Business (ORB) survey). **Other survey-based studies covering different time-spans find 461,000 total deaths (over 60% of them violent) as of June 2011 (per PLOS Medicine 2013), and 655,000 total deaths (over 90% of them violent) as of June 2006 **(per the 2006 Lancet study). Body counts counted at least 110,600 violent deaths as of April 2009 (Associated Press). The Iraq Body Count project documents 186,901 – 210,296 violent civilian deaths in their table. All estimates of Iraq War casualties are disputed.[4][5]

You should also just read about Operation Iraqi Freedom. NATO troops started that war out destroying civilian infrastructure, directly. Water purification, sewage plants, power generation, they took Iraq back to the stone age. Here we are in 2025 and Russia has shown it has the ability to hit pretty much anything in Ukraine that it wants, but curiously it's only targeting substations rather than destroying power plants. I guess Russians are too stupid to understand how electricity is generated, it certainly can't be that they're making an effort to not completely delete Ukraine's electricity.

Russia routinely sends in waves of poorly equipped soldiers just like the earlier mention of them using Wagner in "meat waves", however this isn't exclusive to Wagner and Nazis, its just how the Russian armed forces operate.

Can you please cite this? The usage of Wagner was notable explicitly because Russia doesn't use human wave attacks and never have - that's just a straight up fabrication. You can read West Point white papers about Soviet military tactics - the reality is they have always valued human life and empowered officers at the unit level to use creativity and make their own decisions. "Meat waves", the idea of rigid top-down command structure - this is all entirely made up by the west.

A recent example I can recall is north Korean troops being used in the exact same manner, being sent In unprepared, poorly equipped, with no real heavy equipment support, where they promptly die by fpv drone.

Please provide evidence of this. Ukraine and the west have been crying about NK soldiers and their only evidence has been showing Russian nationals who look asiatic and calling them Koreans. Russia has finally announced the participation of NK troops in the recapture of one single town in Kursk - they have not been used extensively or even within Ukraine.

Training conditions for new soldiers is also extremely poor before they're shipped out, at least it appeared that way in the past when I viewed many videos from new soldiers in Russia being trained. However that was a while ago, and who knows maybe it was all us/Ukraine propaganda videos.

Russia uses a conscript military. This is the nature of a conscript military. Russia does not ship people with poor training to the front. DPR/LPR did because they were rebels without the resources or infrastructure to do long formal training. Russia pays out big bonuses for conscripts who volunteer to be part of the SMO.

I'm not gonna pretend to know everything, or claim I'm immune to propaganda. I certainty consumed a lot of western propaganda especially earlier in the war, I appreciate hearing all your differing opinions but at least on this point it seems comical to me to suggest Russia cares about the lives of their soldiers.

It seems that way because you have been fed lies about Soviet and Russian military tactics and actions for the entirety of your life. If you're American, you probably think that American troops liberated Germany and won the war, but if you look at actual troop deployments it was something ridiculous like 9/10 Germans being fielded to the Eastern front where it was only the Soviets who stopped them.