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[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So I read the adl page on Western Chauvinism and this wiki page Chauvinism and don't understand how it relates to me saying Russia doesn't value human life. I don't think America values human life either, am I misunderstanding?

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Chauvinism means heavy in-group bias and bigotry. Tribalism, jingoism, selfishness are related terms.

Within leftist circles, the term originates from the more formal use of "Social Chauvinists" who were the so-called socialists who sided with their own individual nations when WW1 started and cheered on the war, instead of siding with international workers and opposing the war across the board. It's basically the worst insult that could be levied by a leftist outside of fascist, it's stating that one has completely abandoned internationalist principles and solidarity for selfish warmongering short-term gains.

So a "western chauvinist" is a westerner who holds heavy pro-west biases and anti-global south biases. They don't even have to be conscious or purposeful. Simple holding the generic American worldview is sufficient to be a chauvinist. Just passively absorbing the dominant racist, imperialist, colonialist ideology of the West will make one a chauvinist if one doesn't introspect and cleanse oneself of it.

It's been show through history that the leftist groups that tend towards chauvinism are almost always the most "Liberal" and reformist of the lot. The "Social Democrats" like Bernie Sanders always side with international capital and zionism because they are traitors. It's generally the more radical communists who maintain their principles of internationalism. This is a major source of conflict between the reformist and revolutionary lefts, whether to maintain ones empire or not.

In poor and oppressed and colonized nations this divide is not as prominent. Everyone who supports decolonization or is on the left is easily united under a single banner of liberation. In imperialist western rich countries though, the left splits apart into the true comrades and the sell outs who really believe in their own superiority.

You see this chauvinism among the left manifesting in a lot of ways. The most common is that we (as in white rich nations) are the only people who can do revolution peacefully and correctly - that the “others” did socialism wrong and we know better than them. Another common strain is the nihilistic trend of “well everyone is evil and imperialist so who even cares”. This lazy both-sidesism projects what the western left knows is bad about their own society onto other societies they know nothing about, to create false equivalence and make it ok to just sit around doing nothing. Another kind of chauvinism is just unironically believing American propaganda about the “authoritarians” of the East.

You were doing a mix of 2 and 3

[–] john_brown@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

You're assuming Russia doesn't value human life because you've been fed that idea your entire life, and the reason you're certain is that you know America doesn't so Russia must not either. That is chauvinism.

[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The reason I'm certain is not because America doesn't care so Russia doesnt. I said "don't think America values human life either" because the documentation I read about Western Chauvinism sums up to "unreasonable belief in the superiority or dominance of one's own group or people," so I highlighted In my reply I don't think America is better or values human life either because I thought they were suggesting I thought America was better.

I am certain from the hundreds of videos I've seen of russian life being thrown away to gain no ground. Sure Ukraine possibly does similar tactics and I'm just not aware cause I'm only fed western approved combat videos from one side. But I didn't say that because

the reason you're certain is that you know America doesn't so Russia must not either

[–] sleeplessone@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

Echoing Z_Poster's response to your earlier comment, western chauvinism doesn't necessarily manifest as a belief that the imperial core countries are better than (semi)peripheral countries: it can also be the projection of how bad the (in this case) US is to all of its enemies, or believing false or wildly distorted narratives spread by the US about those countries.

Regarding the videos you saw, what platforms were you seeing them on? Are they being shared by others who have (usually unconscious) western chauvinist biases? These are things worth considering when looking at information about enemies of western civilization, especially considering how virtually all mainstream social media platforms are owned by US companies.

[–] john_brown@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Link literally anything you keep referencing. Everything you say is "I heard" or "I saw" without any attribution. You're a western chauvinist.

[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Snip below are from a Russian military blogger/service man called Vozhak Z describing how his company is used in meat wave assaults, translated by Wartranslated (link to orginal post translation post, warning its shitter. Link to original telegram post by the Russian military blogger)

While Wartranslated does support Ukraine he is reputable and posts accurate information. Obviously biased coverage but still accurate. Provide sources proving otherwise if you want to protest. LDPR (so not true Russian) complain of very poor conditions and leadership/support/care if they live or die

I really don't have much to send over since my phase of watching Russians die was ~2 years ago and on telegram it is nearly impossible to search for these 2+ year old videos. But I can just look at top posts on r/UkraineWarFootage.

All following links NSFL 3 Russian service memebers walk in no mans land with no support of any kind, get hit by FPV drone and likely bleed out and die Lone Russian pushing by himself, dies by drone Unarmored jeep like vehicle pushes the front with too many people onboard, hits antitank mine and everyone dies BMP with "meat Armour" carrying ~15 service members on top with no Armour or protection at all, they all die violently Pushing the front line in completely unarmored vehicle, hit by FPV drone More meat Armour, ~15 soldiers riding on top of BMP, hit by FPC

I could keep going on but I assume you probably wont watch the videos or care at all, and you will still tell me I'm wrong. Plus I don't really like watching people die at this point in my life so I sorta wanna stop looking as well. Point being, since the invasion its very common to see videos of ~15 - 50 Russians pushing a front with no or very little support, usually meat Armour style where they ride on top of the a BMP that flings them off and than trys to run away before its killed. Maybe thats changed in the past year, but I dont know. Again I stopped following this kind of content a while ago.

[–] john_brown@hexbear.net 1 points 19 hours ago

Three soldiers in a field isn't a meat wave and surely you know this. I'm going to blow your mind but you can also find videos of Ukrainian troops in identical situations. When you're moving behind lines, you may not know drones have penetrated the line of contention. This happens to both sides. When you're moving near front lines, smaller groups ensure you mitigate losses from drone attacks. Again, both sides do this

You do not know what you're talking about and you're deep inside the delusions of Western propaganda despite fancying yourself no longer affected by it

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago

hundreds of videos!