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With the implementation of Patch v0.5.5 this week, we must make yet another compromise. From this patch onward, gliding will be performed using a glider rather than with Pals. Pals in the player’s team will still provide passive buffs to gliding, but players will now need to have a glider in their inventory in order to glide.

How lame. Japan needs to fix its patent laws, it's ridiculous Nintendo owns the simple concept of using an animal to fly.

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[–] flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 51 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

There are over 1,000 pokemon. I think it's a Tolkien situation- where famously, you can't write fantasy without using ingredients that Tolkien created, because if you do, obviously it's from Tolkien, and if you didn't, the reader is asking why not? That kinda deal.

If you set out to create a game involving collecting, or even looking at and cataloguing, a bunch of different fantasy creatures, you're going to have some that are at least a little similar to pokemon. The electibuzz/grizzbolt example you gave is a fantastic one. You're claiming it's stolen, but that there is a cat creature with a single lightning bolt in it's belly. Versus a... monkeything? Covered in them. My point here being, even if they didn't steal (which, I'm sure they did, there are other, better examples) at a certain point you have to accept that with 1,000 pokemon, there's going to be overlap, so you either need to just be up front about the stealing, or you need to spend 5x the amount of development time making sure none of your creatures have overlap.

Personally, Pokemon has been around for more than 25 years. Even if they released a million games a year, they shouldn't get to gatekeep 'all creature-collection simulators that you use balls for and that you can ride like a dragon.' Fuck that. They got infinite money back on their initial investment, and they shouldn't be allowed to just own the ideas. This is the kind of bullshit that makes me (a lifelong pokemon fan) want to never, ever, ever give them money again.

[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

If you set out to create a game involving collecting, or even looking at and cataloguing, a bunch of different fantasy creatures, you’re going to have some that are at least a little similar to pokemon.

If you search for a fox fire witch you'll see different interpretations on that. But somehow Palworld made a fox fire witch extremely close to an art of a fanmade Mega Delphox.

delphox comparisson

It's not an official pokémon but no way in hell they're didn't just create the pal based on this art, it's just too similar.

[–] calmnchaos@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

But that's not the point of this lawsuit. They patented broad game mechanics and are successfully litigating ownership of those ideas.

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 25 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

If you set out to create a game involving collecting, or even looking at and cataloguing, a bunch of different fantasy creatures, you're going to have some that are at least a little similar to pokemon

I think Cassette Beasts pulled off the Pokemon gameplay format without making anything that Nintendo could try and sue over.

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 8 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Bingo. In many ways, but not all, palworld was lazy, and unoriginal.

[–] Prethoryn@lemmy.world 13 points 4 hours ago

Design wise maybe, but game play wise, performance wise, mechanic wise.

PalWorld is 100% not lazy in these categories and Pokemon is.

My issue with people taking on PalWorld as a copy cat is it's really a shit argument. PalWorld is a copy cat of Ark and a much better version of Ark.

Change Pals to anything else. Turn the ball into a net and it isn't a Pokemon copy cat.

Competition is great. My take on this entire thing is fuck Nintendo.

[–] flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Oooh, thank you for reminding me that game exists. I still haven't played it, and so many people have told me it's good!

[–] MolochAlter@lemmy.world 2 points 50 minutes ago

Add one to the list. Really enjoyable, even fun to cheese, not very fond of the ending but otherwise stellar.

[–] JDPoZ@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I think that’s a pretty generous interpretation.

It’s like you are trying to pretend that character does not look like a Pokemon because their appearance WAS technically different… even though it uses identical parts from several actual characters from the IP.

So it should be counted as non-infringing because they simply re-arranged / mixed and matched those character parts like they were a Mr. Potato-head-esque / ransom note magazine assembly / amalgamation of interchangeable similar puzzle pieces?

And I just grabbed one of the first results from when you search Pokemon Palworld similarities… I’m not familiar enough with every single one to find a more egregious example, but again - let’s be honest. This is the IP equivalent of saying “I’m not touching you” while a sibling holds their finger right next to your eye as if to poke it.

[–] philophilsaurus@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Honestly? I see more Totoro in there than Electabuzz.

Where does the line get drawn between inspiration and stealing? I’m not trying to be facetious, it’s just the kind of question that I think a lot of people will have vastly different answers to.

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

The line? Usually you need to be doing something conceptually different. This knockoff electrabuzz wouldn’t have raised as many eyebrows if it was in a farming simulator, or a card game.

It’s like if you had a chainsaw gun in your game, and your game was a third person shooter set in a dark gritty sci-fi world where you are fighting subterranean monsters called the Focus Board.

[–] philophilsaurus@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 hours ago

Pokémon TCG would probably make a stink about that too. I would agree that more needs to be done to differentiate them but the Guns and the art-style should do that pretty well.

Using balls to capture and store Pals was a big mistake though and they definitely should’ve made a few more drafts on some of those aspects before reveal.