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As a Linux user myself, it saddens me to see how much the Linux fandom is invalidating itself with its aggressive attitude.
As a proud GNU/ArchHat Ubungentoo Linux user, I disagree. I need others to know and agree with my choice of distribution, desktop environment, shell (POSIX sh btw), untained patched kernel, AMD graphics card, and IDE (vim obvs). How else would I get to feel like I'm more woke than other users both inside and outside my fandom?
Parody aside: It's one thing to politely discuss your software choices with other people to help them find things they haven't tried before. It's another to proselytize like a self-righteous prick.
That’s just too good 😂🙏
Linux isn't about the fandom, though. If someone is interested in a third option for OS, they will seek Linux because that's what it is, not because the fandom attracted them to it.
I feel the worst examples is when you try to engage with the Linux people trying to explain why you can't use it and they're just in complete denial
I like Linux, but I can't use it because I very frequently use CAD programmes like fusion 360 which run exclusively on windows. Mention that and you'll spammed with "what about FreeCAD?" From people who either have never used freeCAD and are just grabbing the first Google result for "fusion 360 FOSS alternatives" or are in complete denial over how goddamn shit freeCAD is like I'm sorry that is not a functional alternative.
Oh man the FreeCAD discussion
I also use fusion and while FreeCAD has improved significantly, it's still lacking in critical areas
The replies are always "but it's gotten better"
Yeah, and it still pops up and error and wrests control away if you dare select a dimension tool and points/lines in the "wrong" order
It's funny how often I see this.
Comment from 2023: "Yeah, but FreeCAD has improved a lot over the past couple years, and it is finally a viable alternative now."
Comment from 2021: "Yeah, but FreeCAD has improved a lot over the past couple years, and it is finally a viable alternative now."
Comment from 2015: "Yeah, but FreeCAD has improved a lot over the past couple years, and it is finally a viable alternative now."
Comment from 2004: "Yeah, but FreeCAD has improved a lot over the past couple years, and it is finally a viable alternative now."
You can see that said about just about any FOSS software. And I am a total FOSS-head myself, more commenting on the community than the software.
Same boat. I do dev work and there is simply no Linux alternative for some of the custom tools we use. I tried dual-booting and running VMs, even got one with direct access to the gpu, in the end it is a huge time sink.
Sure, but I don't see how that's an issue with the people suggesting Linux? If you can't use it, ok, but there's no reason why they're going to assume that.
Yes! As well as "Only ever use hardened ~~Firefox~~ Librewolf and Duckduckgo, every other product is the literal devil"
I mean...we have quite a bit of evidence of at this point that Google and Microsoft are creating problems for the future of the internet and technology in general.
I won't say they're the literal devil but I can't say I'd argue with anyone that says they are.
Calling out horrible practices and encouraging people to use the alternatives that don't do that shit...yeah, I'm not seeing an issue.
I'm not talking about the tech giants, but the loudest groups here treat alternatives like Brave, Vivaldi, etc. the same way
Iirc the isue with brave for most is that it was made by a "Nazi" (https://www.change.org/p/brendan-eich-brave-software-stop-providing-a-revenue-stream-for-white-supremacist-paedophiles). Personally the issue for me is that it wants to torrent for me but I want qbit to do it, and it's chrome based. Vivaldi is also chrome based iirc, which is also a problem for people who don't like the tech giants or the internet DRM bullshit google is trying to pull rn, but unless I'm mistaken idt they're the worst other than that whole "chromium" thing.
Were you online before Facebook? It was mostly nerds in the 90s and half nerds in the 2000s. You came to a car show and are upset that people are talking about cars. You're on Wall Street asking "what's up with all the suits?"
Literally no one is going to tone it down.
I never understood this either. "Why are users of an aggressively open-source service so adamant about using open-source software?" Especially when Lemmy's been around for years, so yeah it's cultivated a majority Linux userbase.
Same, when you're so dead set against open source, why not stay at the commercial solutions?
It'a not about being against open source, it's about putting practicality over ideals. Some software simply isn't there yet.
Most open source adepts are practical, but most would prefer a tad of less perfect of free open source then perfect closed source.
For me, the main computer needs to be stable, the rest is for messing about with. I'm glad I found open source solutions for most issues. (apart from breaking open Android devices)
Except most of them will never be "there" without support, but also because the commercial options have the resources to out develop them at every turn.
And the truth is, maybe it needs to be more about ideals. Not caring about them is why we are seeing the current trends we're seeing: people put convenience above choosing to support something they believe in. That's why Chromium is everything now. That's why Windows is increasingly shitified and anti-competitve with no serious consequences. That's why a significant number of people that opposed Spez are still on Reddit fulltime. If the average user was a bit more idealistic, maybe there'd actually be a movement to push back on these trends. But they don't.
My legitimate theory is that the better the average quality of life is, the more people value practicality over ideals. As long as you can get up, drive to work, come home, and watch football/play CoD/whatever, people have very little incentive to care. Also we're a bit more sane now. We're a long way off from that Roman guy who made a "no weapons or you get executed" rule, accidentally walked into the forum with a knife, and stabbed himself to death right then and there.
Man, I'm just here because I found spez's reaction to criticism both sad and so disgustingly corporatist that I didn't want to interact with his product anymore. But I don't have strong opinions on that sort of thing. My internet usage is mostly just killing time between work and real life tasks. Mostly early morning while I'm just waiting for my Adderall to kick in and for it to get late enough in the morning to get started on stuff. This internet space is not a significant part of my life. But I do want my time here to be enjoyable and the weird way that people on here make subjective choices a major part of their personality and get aggressive to outsiders can be off-putting. I'm clearly not alone in this. A lot of people just want a place to casually read some interesting stuff on the internet without constantly being preached to about the moral necessity of specific computer environments everywhere you go. Enjoying it as a hobby or whatever is fine, but like, chill guys. There isn't some Linux Hell we'll end up in if we don't convert before we all die.
There is, MS Windows. ;)
Just kidding. For most, it's just fine to use closed source products, however, the most/earliest adopters of the fediverse are open source adepts. Accept their weirdness that brings you the free environment (ok, based on donations, but nothing is forced upon you). They put their spare time into the development and maintenance of the environment. They give free tips, either try it out or ignore them.
But this isn't a Linux-centered instance.
Just because the Fediverse is FOSS doesn't mean we have to shill out to everything FOSS on every instance.
That is like claiming since the Fediverse runs on servers, we should all ditch our regular computers and phones and only connect over server hardware.
It is okay to like FOSS, but it is an other thing to keep bringing it up ad nauseam, especially if the topic isn't even related. It only makes the Linux community look bad.
Your instance maybe, but some are, like programming.dev, and the way federation works is we can all talk to eachother.
Not everyone is on db0 either, but here I am talkin'.
Then downvote them and move on, man. You're complaining about people using the platform they believe in to talk about something else they believe in. They're not doing anything wrong, and whether or not it annoys you is not anyon else's concern but your own.
That's why there a voting system.
Frankly, if you're still all-in on the Windows or Apple ecosystem, there's no way to pull you to Linux.
The best Linux spokesmen has been Microsoft lately. I'm not using Linux because I necessarily want to. I want to keep using my clean version of 10, but they're taking that choice from me. I'm using Linux because I won't tolerate that shit at this point.
So Linux folks can be as aggressive as they want, it won't move the needle either way. People are either willing to try it to escape Apple and Microsoft, or they aren't.