"Career prospects" in this case means that men want to feel like they’re of use to society. The issue is only tied to capitalism in the sense that the current capitalist environment doesn’t offer many of them meaningful work. I’m not sure what alternative to capitalism you imagine would solve that problem - without also giving men those same career prospects they’re currently lacking. Taking care of and providing for the tribe is what we're hardcoded to get meaning from.

[–] obbeel 4 points 4 days ago

You don't need someone to create jobs for you, people just need to do useful stuff and it will get attention. As long as work is organized, it doesn't make sense someone would "create" a job for you. It's all about History. These neo-aristocrats have a hold on capital, so they decide what to do.

I'm not saying that people shouldn't care about work with this, just that no jobs are "created".

[–] pahlimur@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I've seen so many men just suck at doing adult stuff in my life and career. It's not a problem of men not having the opportunity to show value, it's more that they expect to have value without providing anything. So if you feel useless, it's more of a you problem that current media allows you to blame other people for.

Capitalism is causing some of these issues. The core issue is men expecting the world to hand them a sense of value.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Sounds like bootstrap talk to me.

In an ideal world, yes, men and women would be handed a sense of value from society.

[–] pahlimur@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I thought about this for a while and nuance is missing from my argument. I was thinking of a specific few men who were basically human garbage. Like talked down to women and treated them like objects, and also sucked ass at their jobs.

It's fine to think society should give everyone a sense of value. I disagree on the everyone part.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Sometimes it helps to remember that a lot of people are actually hopelessly stupid. And this isn't like some elitist ivory tower commentary - there is a good percentage of the population which struggles with basic problem solving, knowledge synthesis, critical thought, etc.

"Advanced capitalism" is sometimes literally called a "knowledge economy" and this has really properly fucked people who could have previously earned a fine living doing mindless physical work. And again, this isn't like some normative statement - for most of human history this equation has been inverted, and intellectual opportunities were scarce. Honestly, part of the problem is probably very specifically that we have hit that inflection point, which is cultivating a new form of alienation for those who are on that lower cognitive tail, who both lack opportunities and are also made to feel inferior for it.