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excited for when we get livestock pleading for help and people just ignore it
“You’re being anthropocentric. ‘It hurts, please help me!’ is actually a perfectly normal greeting in most animal cultures.”
Ok look, they say "Please stop, I want to see my children" but does that really mean what a naïve interpretation would have us think? I mean it's not like they didn't scream before, I don't think this should move the needle on the extremely simple idea that:
Humans are uniquely endowed with some property that makes suffering meaningful, human emotions and thought can be influenced by the state of the brain but there is no transformation or variation of the brain that can remove the special endowment of meaningful emotional states short of utter destruction, other animals which may share similar brain structures or behaviours cannot have this meaningful suffering unless they are charismatic, even then they will always be secondary to arbitrary humans in concern because they lack special endowment, evolution has converged on extremely complex organs and patterns many times and includes many arrangements or systems which seem implausibly likely evolving dozens of times but it is utterly inconceivable that consciousness could also evolve earlier than humans or multiple times. Also bacon lol get wrecked.
Just to make sure... you're pointing out how disgustingly ridiculous that idea is, right? (I'm not gonna use the Padme emoji here because its a genuine question). You're saying how hypocritical and absurd it is, despite its ubiquity and that carnists (especially the super smart reddit "rationalists") would nod in agreement?
I would hope that if someone says "the extremely simple idea that". Then follows with a run on sentence with 130 words and like a dozen hesitations it is obviously a satire.
I suppose carnists do write some dumb shit though when fencing with their own values.
Well you got reported on for defending carnism, so it's not so obvious.
I guess there's no level of obviousness that won't appear sincere to someone
Lol, lmao even. Well probably better people have a hair trigger vs being lax with such a destructive ideology. A quick glance at my posting history should make it rather clear what I believe.
I was pretty sure that was the case, but everything you said was literally the exact reasoning I've seen presented as a solid argument against veganism. Sadly even here on hexbear sometimes, people have expressed the staunch belief that human brains are uniquely and exclusively the only kind that deserve recognition for their suffering. /s tags shouldn't be needed ideally, but especially on certain topics and when an entire comment is sarcasm, it can be hard to know with 100% certainty that it wasn't serious. Especially for people with certain types of neurodivergence like me.
All good, across cultures tone and humour doesn't always translate well. There is also a literacy crisis in most (all?) English speaking countries which isn't helping. Given it is now often difficult to tell whether someone's writing is intentionally awful, or that they were subject to a shitty education.
Carnist arguments are awful. My hope is that when you string them all together, a few people who might present them as rebuttals individually pause and notice the precarious structure they form.
Completely agreed. It sometimes amazes me how unable carnists, especially the ones who "love animals," are to recognize their blatant hypocrisy for what it is: cringy rationalizations to justify behavior they're unwilling to change. I'm glad at least that in leftist spaces like this, the concept of "self crit" is better understood and accepted as a good thing to do, something everyone needs to do if they have any hope of examining all the bullshit that "western culture" has ingrained into us.
(Also for the record, I wasn't the one who reported your comment. Like i said, I was pretty sure you were being sarcastic, just not 100% certain).
Ah comrade, I shall take you off the list then :p