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Very detailed Lemmy post I wrote about this fuckery and more

Local news article containing the quote about the voter registrar

On Homer Plessey Way, board member Daniel Milojevic stood outside the Bywater polling place in the Press Street Gallery suggesting people try the two Jefferson Parish locations.

He said the local registrar of voters gave the district only 300 ballots per location and told them they could expect about 20 people.

“We had to confirm the number of ballots weeks ago,” he said, before it was clear how high the turnout would be. Milojevic conceded that planning had clearly missed the mark.

As one astute gentleman asked while defending Reddit, and accusing me of spreading misinformation:

If hardly anybody knew, how did turnout exceed expectations within 2 hours?

Because the "expectation" provided by the registrar was literally 20 voters per location (60 voters in total) for the entire fucking city.

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[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Surely there is a cryptographic way to count votes where someone can check that the results are correct but not how individuals voted, right?

[–] Slotos@feddit.nl 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Now you have to trust the software used to do this, the algorithm itself, and that there was no tampering before the data got stored. Which is something truly verifiable by a very tiny subset of population and even then with full cooperation from authorities. This is the opaqueness of countermeasures.

Vote counting is not a mathematical problem, but a sociological one. Any „always correct machine” is useless if people can’t reasonably trust it.

Paper ballots don’t scale - you can’t stuff ballots without someone being present - and are designed exactly in the problem space vote counting itself occupies. As an additional evidence in their favor, autocratic regimes and corrupt politicians are way too eager to switch to electronic voting.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

That’s the whole point of crypto though, you publish the mathematically verifiable results, and everyone becomes a vote counter. Instead of trusting a small group of people to do it right, you can verify the counts yourself in a trustless system.

The algorithm isn’t a black box like you’re saying, it’s fully auditable and decentralized so any fuckery is immediately visible.

Now maybe I’m wrong and a mathematically verifiable algorithm can’t exist, but to my knowledge that’s never been shown to be the case.

Edit: turns out there are MANY such systems, and they are mathematically verifiable, and used in actual use cases today. The only thing stopping it is lack of political will, and arguably, the fact that even people without computers have the right to vote.

You do not have to trust the software. You could do that math for yourself if you really cared.

[–] __dev@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I'm sure that exists, yes. But you can't give the voting key to individual voters, because that can be bought. So you're using the same black-box voting machines with all the same attack vectors (or even worse if they're connected to the internet).

The only way to make voting machines safe is to have them print out the ballot, but at that point they're just very expensive pencils.