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I have a hunch that I can't confirm so I want opinions and insights on it.

First some relevant facts:

  • Philosophy has been separated from science. Nowadays, the era of physicists and mathematicians being also philosophers at the same time has ended and the modern average STEM student has hardly been taught any philosophy. In fact, some famous modern physicists have very poor opinion of philosophy.

  • The 20th century streak of breakthroughs in science, especially physics and engineering, has ended, and relatively little (in comparison) has come from some the 21st century's major research paths such as the search for dark matter/energy or for a theory of quantum gravity.

  • The time during which the first two facts of the list transitioned to their modern state, the 20th century, was a time during which the capitalist order was shaken and afraid, while socialist theories and philosophy was getting verified and confirmed to be correct in the real world.

My hypothesis is therefore the following:

As socialism's successes were starting to seriously challenge the bourgeois theories of capitalism, bourgeois academics started to see science graduates practicing and engaging with philosophy, particularly economics graduates, as a threat.

But they couldn't tell economics students and no others that they didn't need philosophy, not only would that look suspicious but the intersections between economics and other sciences would have come back around to bite them eventually.

So they took the decision to convince all science graduates that they didn't need philosophy, that it didn't matter if their hypothesis aren't grounded in reality as long as the math gives the right answer.

Capitalist academia essentially condemned philosophy to only be studied by language and/or art academics and actively started to paint philosophy as being separated from science.

What do you all think?

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[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 5 points 15 hours ago

Two very well-thought and well-written posts that I will be mulling for a long time. Thank you for taking the time and putting forth no small effort to share your thoughts.

In a way, what you said seems to reflect the visible universe: what we see now is but a snapshot of a moment in time that already unfolded. What's happening now is yet to be seen. Evolution is born of some conflict, stress or struggle, so it makes sense what you said about the philosophies that have unfolded. I'd like to say more, but I'm very tired and do need to reflect more.