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while Israel has nukes, and is subject to MAD, there's a ton of debate and uncertainty about how much Iran cares for MAD when they finish their nukes
thats most of the reason why people are worried about them rn if you cant tell
It's a good thing that Israel and the US did everything they could to get Iran to decide not to make nukes instead of antagonizing the poop out of them.... Oh wait.
The government of Iran supports terrorism across the Middle East, including the Triple-H of terrorism which they term the "Axis of Resistance". Hezbolla, Houthis, and of course Hamas, which brutally massacred over a thousand people and took hundreds hostage forcing a ground war in a densely populated area so they could make genocide propaganda. Hezbollah was plotting to do something similar and the Hotuthis would if they had the capability. Also Iran has people regularly chanting "death to Israel, death to America" and that kind of rhetoric is spreading into the west, and we've already seen all of this result in violence in cities like Boulder, CO. So that regime starts enriching enriching uranium in the amounts needed to build a nuclear device, according to the UN. And they publicly announce they're going to start testing missiles capable of delivering a nuclear warhead to Israel.
But sure, that's not antagonizing at all!
It's the internet posts that's REALLY antagonizing!
I never said Iran was good. Just that, if your concerned about them getting nukes, the US and Israel made the wrong move multiple times. Guaranteeing either they get nukes or war with Iran. A war that only Netanyahu wants so he can stay in power.
This will further destabilize the area and will probably result in Iran getting many allies.
Big cost, no gain for the west.
Hamas killed about 400 Israeli occupation soldiers on Oct. 7 for which it has the right as every people has the right to resist illegal occupation. That doesn't justify attacks on Civilians or taking them hostage ofc. Hamas immediately thought to negotiate a hostage swap to free some of the about ten thousand Palestinians held hostage by Israel in so called "administrative detention" aka. no charge no access to legal defense and torture and abuse.
What Hamas miscalculated was how completely genocidal Israel is and how it is supported in that by the West and Israels regional allies, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Jordan...
Blaming the genocide waged by Israel on Hamas is peak cynicism.
Also if Hezbollah and Houthis would have wanted to do something similar, they would have went in full force on Oct. 7 too. Instead all that Hezbollah did for months was send some symbolic rockets and mortar fire.
what do you think how they took them hostage in the first place? which country in this world would just sit back after what hamas did to their citizens? War has been declared, and it's the consequences of their own, and palestinians ain't innocent, they were very cheerful of the killing and taking hostages of Israelis. Which later turned into victims for some reason. And just fyi, hamas was democratically elected as govt of gaza. So it's a govt against another govt conflict, aka war
War has not been declared, as Palestine is under illegal occupation. Read the ICJ ruling of last year.
What you are saying is like claiming Ukraine declared war on Russia for resisting the Crimea occupation and the green men in Donetzk.
Also just entertaining your logic for a moment. Israel murdered more than 200 Palestinians in 2023 before Oct. 7. Add to that hundreds every year before that. Add to that all the hostages Israel is taking sinced decades.
Your logic is again based on ignoring everything that Israel is doing all the time, until something happens and they cry victim.
It's a theocracy that ritualistically chants "death to America, death to Israel."
Nuclear proliferation is never a good thing. But a regime like that getting nukes is a major crisis.
Because the US and Israel have been killing tens of thousands if not millions of Iranians directly and indirectly over the past century.
Israel and the US helped the Shah build his intelligence forces, which murdered, tortured and dissappeared tens of thousands of people. Then the US lead Saddam Hussein to invade Iran, killing a milliom Iranians over the course of 8 years. How much Israel was involved in that is unclear.
Imagine Poland would have adopted the slogan "death to Germany" after WWII. Would you consider Poland a major crisis? What about Ukrainian sentiment towards Russia since the invasion? If Ukraine would seek nukes in 30 years, would you also see that as major crisis?