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I mean, Israel is just the USA's preferred method of conducting proxy wars in the region... Not that the Zios aren't also happy to massacre their neighbours, of course.

[–] Dicska@lemmy.world 9 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I think I can finally relate. I just had a Civilisation VI game last night where I was trying to win by the domination method (I'm still pretty tame, waiting for a casus belli to start a war), but suddenly three civs got way ahead in culture, science and military, so if I still wanted to win by dominating, I had no other choice but to just surprise buttfuck all three at the same time. The aztecs had been working on the space race already.

...so yeah, I guess Israel just realised that they need to chop chop before Iran builds the Mars base.

(obvious /s, it's disgusting how such aggressors can just get away like that)

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I used to play Civ III a lot and one of my favorite strategies was to borrow a bunch of money from a neighbor and then attack and destroy him, which would of course wipe away the debt with the only consequence being that everybody else hated you. It was amusing to learn that this was actually Hitler's strategy with his invasion of the Soviet Union (minus the "destroy him" part, of course). Part of the nonaggression treaties between Germany and the USSR was actually a massive loan to Hitler, adding to the debt that Hitler had already racked up to achieve his "economic miracle".

[–] Dicska@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Wow, you have yet another thing in common : ). Jokes aside, it's crazy how many things games can teach you about.

[–] dovahking@lemmy.world 25 points 9 hours ago (5 children)

I don't know how they did it, but Israel has made America its personal bitch. Everything they do, America just comes and help them wagging its tail and half of Americans will just nod and follow behind like pups.

[–] rodneyck@piefed.social 2 points 1 hour ago

AIPAC, it funds politicians on both sides. Our gov't is set up like a mafia payout, and the Zionist are running the show.

I don’t know how they did it

This is one of the dangers of having a corrupt government in the modern world that is openly for sale. Conservatives might think it's fine that money can and should influence politicians, but they're dead quiet about the fact that the money doesn't have to only come from American sources.

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 11 points 8 hours ago

You don't know how they did it? I thought it was obvious, Israel lobbies all of the US politicians: https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S

[–] ToadOfHypnosis@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

AIPAC - that’s how.

[–] JennyLaFae@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

I believe the Russians refer to it as "kompromat"

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

And Iran and Russia are a close second.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 35 points 18 hours ago (7 children)

I wonder: would that region of the world have reached some sort of equilibrium if the rest of the world didn’t constantly fuck with them, or would it just be a different kind of shitshow?

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Why do you act like it was aliens coming from space? It was just humans doing what they've always done. Do you think they didnt know what war was? They had been warring for millennia with other people from Europe, Asia and Africa.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

I wouldn't think of it as somehow absolving people in the region from wanting to make this stuff happen, but without the resources and support from outside, they might be a bit more restrained by necessity/unable to inflict quite the scale of disasters.

Like how North Korea would have probably started some shit but they can't because they don't have anyone willing to boost their military capability to the requisite level. Meanwhile every player in the middle east has some bigger country happy to pump up their military resources while simultaneously tending to distance themselves from the result because a proxy war is safer than direct conflict.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 7 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

The area has a deep and rich history, but also a violent one. Countless of peoples have been actually genocided (as in: nothing remains of them) there several centuries before rest of the world had civilization and therefore any means of manipulating them.

European colonialism lasted roughly during years 1400-2000. A significant time, but also significantly shorter than the history of Middle East.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

Almost certainly the former. Same with Africa.

Almost all major conflicts and broken political situations can be traced back to colonialism and/or organized religion.

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 hours ago

Almost all major conflicts and broken political situations can be traced back to colonialism and/or organized religion.

The world was a peaceful paradise before colonialism

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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 11 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (3 children)

As with other regions, the wars between neighbouring(ish) countries subside with cultural & economic development - if the countries (ever) get to that point (cross several big thresholds). And we don't even have enough data to verify if this is even actually true.

But like Europe, constant warring for millennia up until 19th century, then sure, two really big wars, but you could already see how culture & economy of the masses shifted & favoured peace over war ("even with the stinking neighbours who we are racist towards"), it became harder to entice wars and/or to convince people we need a war with a neighbour.

I feel like this sort of rule of majority (in practice) & low scarcity is the natural equilibrium where huge efforts for maintaining peace aren't required.
(Even both WW were because of this equilibrium shifted massively into huge inequalities.)

African countries (so lower industrial development & big inequalities even on small scales bcs scarcity for basics, like food & life opportunities, exaggerates those) see constant proper wars (1 on 1 skirmishes between two countries or even regions), but since mass starvation became a thing of the past, so did the fighting become less intense.
(Africa is huge tho, generalisations like this aren't representative of actual issues.)

With that I think Middle East would definitely be a much more peaceful place without massive colonialist fuckery over the centuries, or at least without Russia & USA (which covers establishing Israel). Longer lasting stable culture & increasing trade dependency & prosperity + no foreigners financing radical terrorist groups (which comparatively quickly become the dominant power by sheer asset value), yes, I think it would be a much better place & wars a lot shorter.

Now, imagine that Middle East but if the world was already off of fossil fuels for the last century (so less inequality between countries).
Maybe a great (and accessible) active cultural hub between Europe & India?

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[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 13 points 17 hours ago

Everything improving for the better is part of that "equilibrium." Peace and stability improves education which just makes everything better over time.

When Taliban first took over Afghanistan they had banned women from attending highschool. They later opened up "training courses" with same curricilum as highschools that women are allowed to attend.

Progress is slow, but the many economic sanctions placed on the country doesn't help.

Overall situation is still extremely bad there but the reason Taliban got to run that country in the first place is two centuries of imperialism (The British) so more of it isn't gonna help.

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[–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 28 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

I don't have an answer to how to handle the region, it's beyond me. The Israel state sucks ass and it's committing genocide.

But the Iranian state are also extremist and I don't doubt for a millisecond would do terrible things if it had the support Israel has.

[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 43 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

two things can be bad at the same time

[–] rigatti@lemmy.world 7 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

But certainly three things cannot be bad.

[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

no, that's heresy. four things though, that can be bad

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[–] psmgx@lemmy.world 67 points 22 hours ago (2 children)
[–] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 72 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

I believe Russia and Israel are currently enjoying joint custody of the US, though Israel has the majority of custodial rights.

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[–] Harvey656@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

I S R A E L

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 8 points 16 hours ago

Hey, you can't just rebrand literal propaganda as satire!

I mean, it is satiric & very funny, but it's on the same level of fuckery as The Onion reporting regular news - unbelievable, sounding sarcastic, fucked up, & funny (until you realise it's just true :D).

(This is a joke comment ofc, the standoffishness is faked for lame comedic purposes.)

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