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The Pentagon Is Accelerating AI and Autonomous Technology America’s military leaders are racing to deploy thousands of autonomous weapons and an AI-powered air monitoring system for Washington D.C.

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[–] lolola@lemmy.blahaj.zone 54 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Maybe can we take a step back and ask whether we need thousands of AI defense bots at all? Or are we past that point?

[–] Wookie@artemis.camp 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Realistically, who’s gonna stop them?

[–] Something_Complex@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I believe in you, or should I say, gggrrrrrrruuuuuuuuu(pardon my wokie I only had one semester in college)

[–] Zippy@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I don't like it but I think we do. China and Russia will certainly have them and they will get ten times better in a same amount of years.

I watched the Ted talk on defense drivers. Scary shit. Thing is I work with commercial cameras and have, in hand, camera that can not only identify all kinds of objects such a human's,, they can recognize individual humans and put a name to them. They can recognize if people are loitering or if someone is being followed. They can reconsider a car from a truck from a bus from a bike. This is not done in a server but thru the power of the CPU in the camera alone. The cost. 500 dollars.

Point being the power available in such a low cost item is staggering. Combined with a weapons platform and it is scary. A terrorist group could distribute hundreds into bushes and they could just sit there for a week in low power mode, waiting to recognize a simple person and spring into action. This is stuff we have right now off the shelf.

What will be part of military arsenals in ten years will eclipse this current tech significantly. Troops won't be ambushed by live human fire but by thousands of drones that care not for their survival.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can I get a few of those cameras and have them record any people around my house that aren't me? What are they called?

[–] Zippy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Hikvision line mainly if you want the low cost ones.

They won't do a 'not me' identification. Mainly because it can only identify you or any person if they get a decent view of you. Basically the first event will be 'i see a human' and if you look at the camera then it can also do an event and say basically 'Jack black' is here. It is two different kind of events you need to turn on. But the person recognition can only fire if it recognizes you.

I thought the same thing is you in that I could have it ignore known people. But it like you looking out a window. You see someone from a distance. To recognize them you need them to come closer. Thus as a person you don't call the cops or create an event immediately but at some point you might. The cameras are not quite that smart yet but as said, ten years?

[–] sdoorex@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago

It’s the nuclear arms race part deux: AI boogaloo.

[–] kava@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What I think is dangerous is terrorists or mass killers getting dozens or hundreds of small drones and installing explosives on them. Install these cameras and CPUs you mentioned that can recognize human faces and have them fly into someone's face and then explode.

You could kill many people and unless we start installing AA turrets all over our populated cities, there seems to be little we can do to stop it.

[–] Zippy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I had mentioned that in an earlier post. It is pretty scary. They could sit in a bush for a month using extremely low power motion detection. See any motion turn on camera to look for human recognition.

[–] JayDee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Autonomous drones made by China have been used in Papua New Guinea to bomb at least one village so I think the US is actually behind the curve in terms of the AI arms race.

This is one of those classical sci-fi apocalypse ideas, where humans make autonomous war machines they can't turn off, and the machines outlive the humans and continue the war for them.

[–] astraeus@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

How is it that when it comes to reckless ideas and notions Congress takes millions of years and the Pentagon takes no more than three business days to implement?