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[–] loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works 178 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

A social network that was formed as a fork of lemmy, before lemmy had really entered the fediverse (tho they were planning to). Both Lemmy and Hexbear had communists among their founders, but the Hexbear devs found it more... Central to their objectives. When Lemmy federated, Hexbear didn't. It planned to initially, but ended up being pretty satisfied of being a small, yet centralized social network, basically a communist Reddit. But the idea of joining the Fediverse appeared tempting once again with the boom that happened on Mastodon when the muskrat ate the bird, and to a greater extent when Reddit changed their API policy and lost a lot of the user's trust, causing many redditors to move to Lemmy.

Hexbear devs then worked to essentially make it a Lemmy instance, but there were always disagreements about who to federate with. They first federated with Lemmygrad and Lemmy .ml. Lemmy .world quickly blocked them. They temporarily federated with sh .itjust .works, but this wasn't well received on either side, so this was soon undone.

Ideology wise, pretty much everyone on Hexbear is some kind of communist. However, altho the "tankie", pro-russia type is often seen, it's not that homogeneous (there are even anarchist channels over there), arguably less than lemmygrad.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 40 points 1 year ago

I think this is the most fair shakedown I've seen so far

[–] EchoCT@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Everything you said was accurate except the pro Russia = tankie stuff. I just want to be able to say that the kulaks deserved and such without being tied to capitalist trash like Putin...

[–] loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I didn't mean to say that all tankies are pro current Russia, but just that there is a specific type of tankies that is, and these are often the annoying ones.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've actually yet to see anybody you'd call a tankie being pro Putin or pro current Russian government. What people are pro is Russia acting as a counter to NATO and facilitating multipolarity.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think people are thrown off by anti NATO stance. I almost don't blame people for confusing NATO opposition for Russia support, especially during on ongoing Russian invasion, which does seem to justify NATO's existence. Nevermind NATO's history of imperialist action, people are very tied up in the Ukraine war and are unwilling to cede any ground to anything that may appear even a little soft on Russia.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Right, people are treating it as sports where you have to either cheer for one side or the other.

[–] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

My issue with hexbearians was that in every single thread I saw them in they would do nothing but whatabout regardless of the context. I understand they may have good points about certain things and to their credit some had very well written and informative comments but most of the time they weren't directly relevant to the topic. It could be a loud minority but it doesn't change the fact it's annoying to see huge threads of whatabout arguments all the time by them.

getting called out for your bullshit on any topic pertains to the discussion, we've had problems with all crowds.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

In my view, having consistent moral standards is a prerequisite for having an honest discussion on any topic. If anything, the actual whataboutism is pointing fingers at other countries while refusing to acknowledge what your own country is doing. People should focus on fixing problems at home and holding their own governments accountable first and foremost because that's where they have most agency.

This is what people who you accuse of whataboutism point out. Focusing on countries you don't like and talking about how bad they are when your own country does the same things simply serves to deflect attention and to create the impression that your own society is somehow better and more enlightened. This is how the west often justifies the atrocities it commits.

[–] mycorrhiza@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

"whataboutism" does not mean "you're never allowed to point out a double standard"

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You know whataboutism isn't an actual logical fallacy and was originally used in defense of British colonialism "well the IRA also does bad things" right?

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[–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is really a non-sequitur but I have zero idea how people choose to upvote it downvote anymore. You and I were in agreement and somehow I got upvoted and you got downvoted? I don't get it

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 year ago

lol, I have a following of a few very angry liberals on here :)

[–] Violette@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

Yeah by pro Russia they meant pro current governement of Russia, aka Putin

[–] Kes@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They've beefed with a few other instances they tried federating with too such as Lemmy.ee and lemmy.blahaj.zone. Their user base tends to be a bit more abrasive than most Lemmy instances, making federation controversial even among similarly minded instances such as lemmy.blahaj.zone

[–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Blahaj zone had a problem with chasers that we did not want in our safespace

[–] lud@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

straight people being horny for trans people. I love my allies, but I don't want them that close.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

More accurately cis people being horny for trans people in an objectifying way.

There are unfortunately gay chasers.

This is true too

Ideology wise, pretty much everyone on Hexbear is some kind of communist. However, altho the “tankie”, pro-russia type is often seen, it’s not that homogeneous (there are even anarchist channels over there), arguably less than lemmygrad.

even the anarchists are pro soviet at least lol, I love my comrades