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[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It's marked for deletion because this article was created in response to what happened in Canada. He is only notable for one event, which only just happened, and as per Wikipedia's One Event rule he is not notable enough to warrant an article about him. Or at least, that's what the process of marking it for deletion is supposed to decide on.

When an individual is significant for their role in a single event, it may be unclear whether an article should be written about the individual, the event or both. In considering whether to create separate articles, the degree of significance of the event itself and of the individual's role within it should both be considered. The general rule is to cover the event, not the person.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He is only notable for one event, which only just happened

What about the events in WW2?

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Notability is a term used in Wikipedia to refer to how often it's cited by secondary sources. Specifically: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability#General_notability_guideline

There is no notability for this guy outside one event, so the article is better focused on the event rather than the person (which is what the talk page is leaning towards)

Well it's probably rapidly getting more especially that entire fuckup is still spinning.

[–] KoboldKomrade@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What a convenient policy to delete anything not "notable".

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I spent a lot of time fighting the BS on Wikipedia. I went from getting I think 6 accounts banned to voting for administrators and editing some of the policy articles.

What came from it in the end was, yes, there are malicious actors and people with agendas on Wikipedia. But Wikipedia is one of the darkest rabbit holes on the internet, and those policies were crafted over literal decades of people arguing - and there is no better set of policies out there. I'm pretty sure their policies beat literal national policies.

So while from time to time I fight the BS, at the end of the day their policies are the best they can be to get the most verifiably accurate version out there. Anything else would allow more BS than currently exists.

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So there's a separate article about the event and he should just be mentioned there? It doesn't merit two separate articles?

Cool, where's the article about the Canadian parliament honoring him?

[–] Serdan@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Yaroslav_Hunka

The general sentiment seems to be heavily in favor of either keeping the article as is, or rewriting it to be about the event.

It's interesting how Wikipedia is accused of bias from all sides, by people who can't be bothered to figure out how it works.

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So there's not an article about the event yet?

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No. Because, for whatever reason, the person who first decided to write an article chose to write it about the person instead of the event.

You could write an article yourself if you wanted.

[–] Serdan@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The article about the person is still up.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_process

Someone proposed deletion due to the subject not being notable. The next step is finding a consensus.

Currently it looks to me like the article gets to remain as is.

This is what I mean by not bothering to understand how it works.

[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

People shouldn't have to pour over pages of documentation, debates and policies to read an online wiki that's crazy