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[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Considered genocide by 26 countries and the European Parliament

It's not necessarily cherry picked, only a statement of who considers it what

[...] whether the Holodomor constitutes a genocide remains in dispute.

Article seems pretty in line with your description of the event as well

[–] notceps@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No that kind of language is dangerous and also false, it'd be like saying that evolution/young earth creationism is disputed. Like technically it is but the people that are disputing are arguing it out of purely ideological reasons. The Soviet famine of 1932-1933 is no longer disputed since the opening of the Soviet archives, even Robert Conquest a person that was a huge anti-communist, so anti-communist that he was in support of the contras, has walked back his Cold War language since then and has said that the soviets didn't purposely cause it.

It'd be like if wiki had an article up about abortion and starts with "Abortions are considered illegal in x countries" and " [.....] whether abortions constitute murder remains in dispute", and the article listing like abortion numbers and stuff like that.

The article is not written from a neutral position because the average american has consumed a ton of cold war propaganda and a lot of Wikipedia has really bad slants because the overwhelming majority of its user base identifies as male (80+%), and works in STEM and/or are a white-collar worker, on top of that people from the USA are the biggest user group so their biases will dominate, like I say that as someone that managed to edit some articles on Wikipedia in the past and has given up because it is incredibly tedious if you are going against the STEM/USA/Male biases that come up over and over again.

[–] zkrzsz@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Considered genocide by 26 countries and the European Parliament

For this, the source from wiki https://www.dw.com/en/european-parliament-recognizes-ukraine-holodomor-as-genocide/a-64107714 from 15 December 2022. What happened in 2022 I wonder? Why all of sudden it's a genocide, what happened from 1933 to 2021?