I’m have been taking these at face value, but thank you for the reminder that we live in a new age of disinformation. I hope that the videos are fake.

EDIT: This Daily Mail article has screenshots of the two videos I referenced although the most graphic one is blurred. Not a reliable source, but evidence that these videos do exist and more legit news organizations are still doing more due diligence to verify their authenticity.

I think it is unlikely that a video was faked that happens to have the distinctive tattoos and hairstyle of a woman who was known to be in Israel at the time.

[–] Monsieur_bleu@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’m have been taking these at face value,

oh come on, the ravenous brown horde coming for your women isn't exactly from a new age of disinformation

[–] Xerodin@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

You're right that the content hasn't changed much except for which groups are included as the "outgroup." The "new age" is less about what the content is and more about how it's being spread. The methods by which unsavory ideas are shared can reach further because of the internet and are more nuanced and targeted towards people who are susceptible to the way these ideas are communicated. Targeting socially, politically, or economically disenfranchised people with sympathetic rhetoric and then gradually introducing brown, gay, lefty hordes as the root cause boogieman has proven effective as more people are swept up into right wing ideology.

[–] GreatWhiteNope@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don’t mean the content of disinformation is new, but the technology.

There is proof that these videos exist, but I don’t know if there’s proof that they’re legitimate.

I find it unlikely that a video was faked with a naked woman’s body showing distinct tattoos and hair of a woman known to be in Israel at the time. But in general, I am not qualified to determine the legitimacy of videos and photos, and I will be more cautious in just repeating what other people have said.

[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even if it’s all legit, I think it’s worth interrogating why those are the videos being shown, and not videos of the extreme suffering the Palestinians have endured for decades.

[–] GreatWhiteNope@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That’s fair. Although in terms of sexual violence, I think there is less footage to show of Israeli perpetrators because it most frequently happens inside prisons and recording is not beneficial to Israel.

In general, I try not to comment on the Israeli occupation because I was propagandized from a very young age to be pro Israel and am still in the process of deprogamming. Even in this comment, I initially wrote the Isreali-Palestinian conflict before changing my language to Israeli occupation. So I appreciate you bringing a perspective that I overlooked.

I just don’t want us to hand wave sexual violence as “just a part of war.” To me, that’s the same argument as people saying communism sounds nice on paper, but human nature is greed and capitalism.

This is more of a why are men scenario, not why are Palestinians.

EDIT: Just want to clarify, when I say it mostly happens in prisons, I don’t mean that Israelis aren’t assaulting civilians. They arrest anyone they want, call them a terrorist, and do despicable things behind closed doors.

[–] SnAgCu@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

I just don’t want us to hand wave sexual violence as “just a part of war."

That doesn't really sit well with me either. Personally, my takeaway from these anecdotes is not that "these Israeli people deserve to be brutalized". It's that the sheer inhumanity of 80 years of occupation where ten times the brutality happened every single day recontextualizes the few atrocities we'll see amplified in our media showing how barbaric the Palestinian resistance is. I do think that's different from excusing sexual violence, and if anyone does that our mods should be quick to deal with them.