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Do you ever get tired of well intentioned people in your life still parroting imperialist/capitalist propaganda (ex: Uyghur Genocide) (hexbear.net)

submitted 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) by MsUltraViolet@hexbear.net to c/askchapo@hexbear.net

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It's just hard, because I know the people I'm referring to are generally good, empathetic people who care about social justice. They just have unfortunately had their consent manufactured in favor of these pro-imperial/US talking points. They genuinely think there's a humanitarian crisis and that China is killing a minority. They simply just don't realize everywhere they're being informed by is steeping in anti-communist, right wing sources vying to create propaganda.

It's honestly so much easier dealing with a shitty reactionary than a liberal who simply doesn't recognize their own biases. And you trying to reveal said propaganda to them comes off as you being a heartless freak trying to justify some terrible act, no matter how legitimate your proof against said narrative is.

Like, what if I am wrong? Idk, sometimes it just feels like I must be, because I'm so outside the narrative. For instance, people trying to justify Israel's treatment of Palestine is complete BS to me, so isn't that how my defense of China sounds to said liberal? I just get worried sometimes that I'm the one brainwashed and on the wrong side of history. I don't want to be the bad guy, I'm just trying to do what I beleive to be right. But isn't that how every shitty side in history feels?

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[–] CrimsonSage@hexbear.net 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 children)

I don't know how old most people are, and dont wana go all "Back in my day." But back when I was in HS in the early oughts I remember articles being published about how China was ethnically cleansing Tibet then. The dastardly Chinese COMMUNISTS were either literally genociding Tibetans, flooding Tibet with Han Chinese to displace Tibetans or, eliminating Tibetan culture, or some combination thereof. These articles were worded EXACTLY like they are now writing about Xinjiang, and strangely now Tibet is still like 95% Tibetan, there are more Tibetan people today than 20 years ago, and Tibetan culture is propagated in public schools there. So is a genocide happening to the Uyghurs? Maybe? I am not an expert or anything but I have learned to be super distrustful of any narrative that paints US 'Enemies(tm)' as bad.

EDIT: I also remember when I first saw articles published discussing a "Havana Syndrome" like condition back in 2010. The articles were basically the same as now, only no one seemed to bite then so they went away; they were patently stupid bullshit back then too. I guess they figured the political environment has changed so they dusted off those old articles and updated the new dates and names.

[–] raven@hexbear.net 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

I remember in college in around 2014 being told by my geography professor something along the lines of "The one child policy doesn't apply specifically to han chinese who move to tibet because they're trying to replace their culture" or something like that. I imagine this is based on something true that was misinterpreted either intentionally or unintentionally rather than being a complete fabrication, which I wouldn't necessarily be surprised by either. Does anyone happen to have any idea what he was talking about?

[–] NonWonderDog@hexbear.net 1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

I don’t remember the specifics, but the one-child policy was never one-child for every couple in the country. You got a bonus kid allowance for falling into certain groups, up to three (maybe four?) children.

You got a bonus kid if you lived in a rural area, you got a bonus kid if you were an ethnic minority, at certain times you could get a bonus kid if your first child was a girl. Apparently over half of Chinese were allowed two kids during most of the one-child policy.

So it’s very possible that Han Chinese in Tibet were allowed two children, and Tibetans were allowed three.