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That's what war and siege does. People lose children a lot so they have more children.
This is what it means to live in Gaza:
Edit: source https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_State_of_Palestine
Maybe I don't know, don't bring more people into the world if they live on a literal battlefield? I don't even want to bring kids into america right now. I can't imagine how selfish one would have to be to bring a child into a warzone where their life expectancy is half the norm and they will suffer the entire time.
This is just something all humans do during war. I would never want kids either but I won't blame others for doing a completely human thing. Not having children would mean a slow extinction for them.
You live in the most sheltered country in the world and somehow have a very in depth perspective for what it's like to live in a battlefield?
Yeah those damn Palestinians should just self-genocide because of the genocide happening to them! selfish, smh
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Are you trying to argue that a battlefield is a place to raise a child? 😂
Maybe the isrealis should stop making it a battlefield.
Agreed! Both sides should stop the bloodshed. What's happening with this war is horrible.
It's only a battlefield when Israel makes it into one, and Israel hasn't invaded Gaza for something like 20 years.
You're cringe
This is such an ignorant take and yet you felt compelled to share it as if it's some obvious truth. I wish I could walk around with that kind of confidence.
You probably think they should just move too, right? Such a simple easy answer, I wonder why they can't....
It's either have kids or go extinct... And your comment seems like you are literally saying to them "go extinct because Israel has/had a right to control your procreation process and land".
Gross
If you want to bring children into a world where they will suffer and die young, that's your choice. I would rather go extinct if I'm not able to relocate (and no, I'm not saying relocation is an option for the people of Gaza).
More like I am against genocide and don't judge humans for doing human things. It's like saying people a crossed all existence should just not have kids and we should all die cause of your personal reasons.. just like a religious person should do, your should keep your views to yourself and stop preaching them.
I understand why humans procreate and sometimes don't have any control or luxury to that control like first world countries do.... But it sounds like you rather shame humans for doing human things than actually come up with helpful solutions.
Blaming the victims of circumstances for trying to still be Human doesn't make you superior, no matter how many times you type it from behind your privileged existence on a keyboard.
Idiocracy was a documentary. That is all I have to say.
What a sad existence that you should just live out yourself and let others do what they want. Kinda like religious person.. do you, leave me and mine alone. Keep your life practice to yourself ☺️
I don't think it's good or helpful to make conclusions about that person. It's reasonable to not bring children into a bad economy... if you can afford to not have them and have lots more to fulfill you. It's not reasonable, though, to go around judging people by whether or not they have had a child because of a situation that is totally out of control. Palestinians would easily lose the fight when outnumbered. No one is making "soldier babies" or anything like that -- these are just children who deserve a good existence and not an open-air prison.
This person doesn't want kids, kudos to them, I can't wait for the day when the last human goes extinct but this is a totally different issue.
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So who will be the one to blame? A normal human being getting married and having kids VS a genocidal ethnostate that wants to ethnically cleanse the natives of the land?
Would it have been morally wrong for Jews during Nazi Germany to have kids? Maybe Anne Frank should have just not been born so we can prevent her suffering?!? Come on.
First of all, thank you Snek for having a reasonable and adult discussion. And thanks to whoever cleaned up this thread (my shit included, even if the wafflehouse bit was hilarious).
I'm not really looking at this as who to point a finger at. In terms of having kids, it's a risk/reward analysis. This is just my opinion, and I've never implied it's the only right answer. But me personally; if I was living somewhere under threat of being attacked, I would not feel comfortable bringing a child into that environment.
If someone brings a child into the world and someone else dropped a bomb on that child, would I say it's the parents fault? No, of course not. Will that parent be devastated? Yes. Will that parent have put blood, money and love into something that's how gone? Yes. Will that parent spend the rest of their life feeling guilty about what happened? Probably. Do I personally want to put myself into that position? Hell no!
But that's me and my opinion. Like I said earlier, parenthood is hard as it is right now. Nevermind climate change..
Thanks for clarifying
Me too, I wouldn't either (heck I'm not even having kids in normal circumstances)
Climate change is also another (quite good) reason to clean up the planet and empty the orphanages first...
Calm down man, at least on the second point. Having a kid is essentially a one-way ticket, let's encourage people being sure they can be a quality parent.
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They aren't having more sex. You have 18 years to be a child, and then another ~60 to die. At low life expectancy, the chances of you being a child is very high.
I'm guessing condoms aren't readily available in Gaza.
They have a life expectancy of 74, which isn't really that bad. Egypt has like 71?
I'm just going by the numbers Snek posted.
That's the life expectancy for the entire Palestinian population, not Gaza. In Gaza, only 2.6% (as of 2018) made it to retirement age (65 or above).
That's better than the US isn't it?