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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net to c/news@hexbear.net

Israel trying to pass the hospital bombing off as Palestine doing it is utterly disgusting and guarantees Netanyahu a spot in the deepest pit of Hell for all eternity, obviously, but do not forget that

a) the only reason why Westerners will believe it is because they want to believe it - they are not being brainwashed and this is not some masterful propaganda being weaved around us to turn kind-hearted people into monsters,

b) no Westerner opinions matter at all. In most Western countries there is no real anti-Israel option to vote for even if they did realize that Israel was a giant factory for crimes against humanity, and Westerners protesting against things in general almost never achieves anything (tens of millions protested for BLM in 2020 and not only did the situation not change, it got worse), and

c) the people whose opinions do matter (both the people in the region, and the leaders who aren't already Zionist compradors) already know that Israel is full of shit and that they just murdered nearly a thousand civilians in a single bomb attack.

It is despair-inducing to think that the genocidal Zionist entity is so brazenly, so smugly getting away with bullshitting this away into a cloud of confusion, as they release their metaphorical squid ink just like they did with the stupid babies story, but the propaganda and the media narrative that they are creating isn't what matters. It cannot address the fundamental contradictions ripping the country, the region, and the world apart any more than masterfully-applied makeup can fix a stab wound. It can merely obfuscate.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is still Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update isn't coming because I'm sick and too focussed on the collapse of the Zionist entity.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 101 points 1 year ago

They've kicked a huge hornets nest. It feels like when BLM first started, except this time it's the entire arab world.

Tomorrow will be bigger.

[-] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 67 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The bombing occurred late at night which isn't usually a good thing if you want large numbers to protest against it, and yet we still saw massive crowds already. I think the protests over the next couple days still won't appreciably change things, just like the much-hyped Friday marches didn't last week, but the temperature is rising and the pressure is growing with every atrocity, and something will eventually happen.

I've had a few hours to cool off so my earlier rage is now merely simmering, and I'm retracting my insults towards Hezbollah and Iran. I mean, I still don't (and won't) think particularly highly of them until they intervene, but if you know that the whole region is being boiled into righteous hatred, and you can't really do anything to stop the war crimes in Gaza anyway, then patiently waiting for the opportune moment to strike is probably the wisest thing to do. I don't wanna be totally "Let them cook!" but they only get one shot at this (as Israel will certainly at least try to do to Beirut and Damascus what they're doing to Gaza, JDAM hospital strikes and all) and it needs to be the right one and fully prepared for.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I agree they only have one shot, and their goal is a single massive united arab uprising across the whole middle east.

I just hope they're picking the right moment, because this might've been it. Maybe we'll see tomorrow, day of anger could also be a day of revenge. What comes after Israel retaliate for their day of anger? Israel are clearly intentionally targeting civilians. If they do so in retaliation it'll be bigger and bigger.

I don't know what they're playing at, is the state just that fucked? Completely irrational? What do they think they're getting here? A righteous war that they'll win because big bro america will step in with ground forces? Huge gamble. If american body bags start appearing for Israel things will get weird.

[-] Kaplya@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

There isn’t going to be an all-out war with Israel.

Every sane leader in the Muslim world knows that Israel will not hesitate to nuke the entire Middle East and take everyone down with them if it comes to that.

Israel knows this, which is why they are doing what they’re doing with genociding the Palestinians because they are betting on the rest of the world won’t dare to touch a nuclear-armed state.

There will be a lot of outrage across the Muslim world, and their leaders will be doing everything they can to stop the world from being embroiled into a global cataclysm that could potentially end the world.

[-] Des@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

it's wild because i didn't know they had like 80+ warheads and pretty long range delivery systems.

they could do a full counterforce strike against multiple middle eastern nations and basically level their capabilities.

[-] SaniFlush@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

They still need to be able to push the button first. Preventing that button from being pushed is a high priority.

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