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Israel trying to pass the hospital bombing off as Palestine doing it is utterly disgusting and guarantees Netanyahu a spot in the deepest pit of Hell for all eternity, obviously, but do not forget that

a) the only reason why Westerners will believe it is because they want to believe it - they are not being brainwashed and this is not some masterful propaganda being weaved around us to turn kind-hearted people into monsters,

b) no Westerner opinions matter at all. In most Western countries there is no real anti-Israel option to vote for even if they did realize that Israel was a giant factory for crimes against humanity, and Westerners protesting against things in general almost never achieves anything (tens of millions protested for BLM in 2020 and not only did the situation not change, it got worse), and

c) the people whose opinions do matter (both the people in the region, and the leaders who aren't already Zionist compradors) already know that Israel is full of shit and that they just murdered nearly a thousand civilians in a single bomb attack.

It is despair-inducing to think that the genocidal Zionist entity is so brazenly, so smugly getting away with bullshitting this away into a cloud of confusion, as they release their metaphorical squid ink just like they did with the stupid babies story, but the propaganda and the media narrative that they are creating isn't what matters. It cannot address the fundamental contradictions ripping the country, the region, and the world apart any more than masterfully-applied makeup can fix a stab wound. It can merely obfuscate.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is still Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update isn't coming because I'm sick and too focussed on the collapse of the Zionist entity.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[–] DiscoPosting@hexbear.net 163 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

-1 MORALE

de-pain-threshold [Impossible: Failure] — You are submerged deep within the milieu of news cycles and chauvinism, and you are drowning. Air. You need air. It burns at the corners of your eyes and claws at your throat. Everything hurts. If this is the way it's going to be, you don't know if you can keep going.

de-empathy — How could you, when everything is so terrible?

de-shivers [Challenging: Success] — A world away, further than any place you'll ever go, a young boy sits outside a crumbling, concrete apartment block. Sea spray and smoke swirl through the air together, salty and acrid, coating the world in a shade grayer than usual. He sits and stares up at the sky, at the planes carrying missiles overhead, and he listens for the sounds of catching powders and marching footsteps. He sits with two million siblings. None of them may make it to tomorrow. The sufficiently old and sufficiently able take to the streets. The shelters and tunnels curling beneath them like veins tremble against the tension.

dubois-depressed — Have they given up?

de-volition — No. They haven't. And that means neither can you.

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[–] PosadistInevitablity@hexbear.net 134 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (32 children)

If I see one more person on Hexbear even suggest the West might have a shred of credibility on the hospital story I am going to scream.

These people told you with wide smiles that Russia destroyed their own pipeline - a lie so ridiculous it beggars belief.

Holy fuck. They are literally just lying. They do this every time. Biden already did this with the babies claim last week. He literally claimed to have seen the fucking nonexistent photos in person. That is how boldly they will lie.

agony

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[–] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 126 points 1 year ago (6 children)
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[–] Frank@hexbear.net 114 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Remember how people were screaming and screaming and screaming at us about harm reduction? And then harm reduction turned out to be losing roe, war in ukraine, trans genocide, palestinian genocide, siccing the cops on any kind of dissent, no student debt relief, and lots of other bad shit?

I wonder if any of them feel horror for what they did.

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[–] stigsbandit34z@hexbear.net 114 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Just surreal being alive right now. We’re all witnessing a modern day trail of tears in an age of ubiquitous information (folks alive in 1830s couldn’t say the same), and the prevailing narrative is that this is fine.

It really is the powerful vs the powerless and always has been marx-joker

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[–] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 112 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Isr*el is so cooked man lol

Long-standing fractures among settlers in the zionist entity continue to deepen today: As the families of those held captive in Gaza went to protest in “Tel Aviv”, they were assaulted by other settlers.

One settler called the families of captives “traitors” and said “I hope your daughter dies!”

Despite the fact that the war for liberation is only just beginning, settlers are beginning to tear one another apart in an expression of the rabid supremacism and self-interest that they embody.

https://t.me/PalestineResist/15250

[–] TheGamingLuddite@hexbear.net 88 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The media has compared the resistance operation to 9/11 but im cackling trying to imagine if Americans yelled death threats at the families of people who died on 9/11 for not doing something to stop it. Maybe if they sent Mark Wahlberg to Gaza things would have turned out different.

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[–] PosadistInevitablity@hexbear.net 109 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

10,000 Palestenian rockets over a decade killed... about 30 people.

Wow, what a coincidence the first seriously destructive missile that Hamas built fell directly on a Gazan Hospital by total accident and killed ~20 times as many as 10 years of rocket attacks had!

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[–] jack@hexbear.net 106 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Gave a pretty fiery little speech at my Palestine protest today on behalf of PSL that the crowd went nuts for

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 106 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Colombia has expelled the Israeli ambassador, hopefully starting a trend

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[–] TheModerateTankie@hexbear.net 104 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Nebula kicked JT/secondthought off their site for his views on Israel.

Also JT gave a shoutout to hexbear called us a bunch of sweeties on the latest Deprogram, ep 101.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 103 points 1 year ago (13 children)

New type of guy just happened.

Instead of calling me a tankie, a lib called me a "working-class supremacist".

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 103 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Israel could drop a nuke on Gaza and the Western media would start saying that Hamas has a WMD program and tested it on their own territory

truthfully though it doesn't matter what westerners think. most propagandized people in world history. western politicians are perfectly aware that Israel just dropped a JDAM on a hospital and they do not care and will happily go along with the story that it was Hamas. what matters is what the rest of the world thinks, and particularly what Middle Eastern powers think. I don't think this is enough to sway them - I don't think 2.4 million Gazan deaths would be enough to sway the oil capitalist ghouls, in fact - but I do at least hope that they'll turn a blind eye to Resistance involvement if they ever decide to go in

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 101 points 1 year ago (5 children)

They've kicked a huge hornets nest. It feels like when BLM first started, except this time it's the entire arab world.

Tomorrow will be bigger.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 101 points 1 year ago
[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 101 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (20 children)

I can't prove it started with me other than my comments in the last mega, but I've seen people use Genocide Joe on Twitter, including Noah Kulwin and Mike Prysner, and I'm gonna chose to believe I started that.

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 98 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Israel trying to pass the hospital bombing off as Palestine doing it is utterly disgusting and guarantees Netanyahu a spot in the deepest pit of Hell for all eternity, obviously, but do not forget that

a) the only reason why Westerners will believe it is because they want to believe it - they are not being brainwashed and this is not some masterful propaganda being weaved around us to turn kind-hearted people into monsters,

b) no Westerner opinions matter at all. In most Western countries there is no real anti-Israel option to vote for even if they did realize that Israel was a giant factory for crimes against humanity, and Westerners protesting against things in general almost never achieves anything (tens of millions protested for BLM in 2020 and not only did the situation not change, it got worse), and

c) the people whose opinions do matter (both the people in the region, and the leaders who aren't already Zionist compradors) already know that Israel is full of shit and that they just murdered nearly a thousand civilians in a single bomb attack.

It is despair-inducing to think that the genocidal Zionist entity is so brazenly, so smugly getting away with bullshitting this away into a cloud of confusion, as they release their metaphorical squid ink just like they did with the stupid babies story, but the propaganda and the media narrative that they are creating isn't what matters. It cannot address the fundamental contradictions ripping the country, the region, and the world apart any more than masterfully-applied makeup can fix a stab wound. It can merely obfuscate.

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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 96 points 1 year ago (14 children)
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[–] WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 95 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

I already low-key respected Hasan but this entire saga has given me newfound appreciation for him. Dude is probably the best real-time news aggregator on this conflict I've found (besides this megathread but that's a collaborative effort) and the fact that he's raised almost a million dollars for Palestine is amazing. Dude's a real one 07

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[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 94 points 1 year ago (12 children)

If there are people in Hexbear of all places questioning the obvious bombing of a hospital that Israel said they were going to bomb, we've lost the narrative battle over the hospital.

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[–] the_kid@hexbear.net 94 points 1 year ago (10 children)
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[–] TheGamingLuddite@hexbear.net 93 points 1 year ago

If the West is actively aiding a siege of bronze age barbarity and our furthest left acceptable position is "some of the people inside are human!!", I don't think you need to be some frothing Maoist to come to the conclusion that liberal democracy is worthless and deserves to be destroyed.

[–] LargePenis@hexbear.net 93 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I've already started looking for jobs in the Gulf, Jordan and Morocco. I can't mentally handle the the open state of hostility that the West has declared against us Arabs and Muslims. This has been possibly the worst week of my life. I'm forcing myself to sleep 12 hours a day just to escape the news and the constant pressure that I'm experiencing all the time. Genuinely feeling close to a complete breakdown, the sadness keeps lingering on my mind at every second.

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[–] Babs@hexbear.net 92 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Learning how many Israelis are first or second generation colonists has really radicalized me on decolonizing Palestine. Around 30% of Israelis are foreign-born. They should go home. Another 30% are second generation - their parents had no right to be there and many still have ties to the old country. They should go home. If most Israelis can't even rightfully claim that even their grandparents lived there, I see no reason to support "Israel's right to exist."

I'm mad. I had at least assumed that most Israelis could be considered "innocent civilians", but no - the majority of them are actively involved in the genocide and colonization of Palestine. Makes me sick.

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[–] Torenico@hexbear.net 92 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Osasuna fans showing Palestinian flags during their match against Granada.

Israeli striker, Shon Weissmann, who plays for Granada, didn't travel to Pamplona for this match citing "personal reasons".

Osasuna has left wing ultras, that makes them cool in my book.

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[–] Florn@hexbear.net 91 points 1 year ago (3 children)

these are the people telling you the Che was bad

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[–] LargePenis@hexbear.net 91 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can't even describe my sadness right now. Sadness, anger, heartbreak, can't even find the right word to describe the feeling in my stomach and throat. 5 fucking hundred dead in seconds, while my local library is raising an Israeli flag and I can literally get fired if I make a little post on Instagram. Fuck this life and fuck this world.

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[–] cheese@hexbear.net 90 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Wertheimer@hexbear.net 90 points 1 year ago (4 children)

So weird that Muslim countries are all protesting the genocide in Gaza but not the genocide in Xinjiang. It must be because they're all anti-Semites who've been bribed with belts and roads.

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[–] Hohsia@hexbear.net 88 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Oooh open air prison and ethnic cleansing are “buzzwords” now!

I love it here!

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[–] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 87 points 1 year ago (9 children)

News Mega Win / Self Brag

A few hours ago generally pretty good independent investigation site DeclassifiedUK realised that the only experts quoted by BBC Verify in their Al-Alhi Hospital fact check are paid members of the American security state and did a short Twitter thread.

Exactly what I revealed more than 3 days ago here. Because it doesn't take three days to Google a cited source.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad it's out there, but the degree to which this stuff goes unchallenged and unnoticed is depressing. Comrades in the News Mega continue to absolutely embarrass even supposedly oppositional news aggregators.

rat-salute -

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 87 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Just saw a sign that I thought said "Free Pigpoopballs" but it was actually "Free Palestine".

The lemmitors are tiiiiiiiired.

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[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 86 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Just saw a sign that I thought said "Buy One Get One Free Palestine" but it was actually "Buy One Get One Free".

The consumers are tiiiiiiiiired.

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[–] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 86 points 1 year ago (8 children)

GOD SOME FUCKING ZIONISTS SHOWED UP AT OUR MEETING AND SOMEONE HAD TO TALK ME DOWN FROM HITTING THEM WITH A CHAIR OML THEY'RE JUST AS FUCKING ANNOYING AS THEY ARE ONLINE

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[–] QuillcrestFalconer@hexbear.net 86 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)

Police in Britain are looking for 2 women because they had images with paragliders during yesterday's protest lol

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[–] JamesConeZone@hexbear.net 86 points 1 year ago (6 children)
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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 86 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

“We have definitely lost the battle in the Global South,” said one senior G7 diplomat. “All the work we have done with the Global South [over Ukraine] has been lost . . . Forget about rules, forget about world order. They won’t ever listen to us again.”

https://archive.ph/s17qq

youre-laughing

“What we said about Ukraine has to apply to Gaza. Otherwise we lose all our credibility,” the senior G7 diplomat added. “The Brazilians, the South Africans, the Indonesians: why should they ever believe what we say about human rights?”

joker-troll

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[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 85 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Rumor has it that China, Iran, and Hezbollah will jointly release a letter worded so strongly that it will contain the word “fuck”.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 85 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

This is the best clip you will watch in this entire conflict.

These idiotic grunts are the ones that are supposed to be winning a ground invasion of Gaza.

They can't even beat dudes throwing rocks.

https://streamable.com/2zrwmx

IDF troops with guns turning and fleeing from dudes with rocks of mass destruction

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[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 84 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)
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[–] edge@hexbear.net 84 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Went to a pro-Palestine rally (organized by PSL which I didn’t even know ahead of time). It was cool, but I didn’t talk to anyone because social anxiety. I did get to chant from the river to the sea. And I threw out a “tiocfaidh ár lá” when we passed an Irish pub.

There wasn’t any counter-protest as far as I know, by my city has a guy that yells “Jesus Saves” in the streets every day and he was there doing his thing.

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[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 84 points 1 year ago

We have entered a new newsmega order, where 1000 comments are posted per day. Changes unseen for a hundred years. War crimes by the minute championed by the ruling ghouls.

yes-honey-left

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 83 points 1 year ago (4 children)

So far I've seen like four unique instances of an Israeli saying in an interview "Yeah members of my family were killed by Hamas but doing genocide in Gaza is not the answer I want peace also our government sucks ass". One of the ones I saw (while watching Hasan) was a 19 year old. Like how can someone who's family was killed have more moral clarity about the situation than westerners with no skin in the game at all. Its grotesque.

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[–] BigBoyKarlLiebknecht@hexbear.net 83 points 1 year ago (6 children)
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[–] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 83 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Mad respect to Palestinian journalists who agree to go on Western consent-manufacturing news and then completely fucking refuse to play their game.

Amazing example

The ghouls have no answer, they just move on. But they're finding it increasingly hard to keep up the charade. The Israeli spokespeople they invite are increasingly rude and unhinged even to the media orgs running cover for them and they increasingly can't find anyone for 'balance' who'll even entertain their bullshit.

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[–] Shymain@hexbear.net 83 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

The editors fighting to keep the line "The Guardian reported that "the scale of the blast appears to be outside" the capabilities of Hamas.[2]" in the newly-created Wikipedia article are goddamn heroes. Zionist propagandists are fighting with all their might to turn this page into genocide denial and this line does so much in stopping that.

e: It's been removed by an admin that goes by the moniker "Neutrality". Immediately afterwards, this admin added in like 3 paragraphs of IDF claims. Fuck this fascist pig dog.

e2: WE LOVE OUR EDITOR COMRADES! The line is back after several editors rightfully noted that Neutrality was violating NPOV.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 83 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)

Video: https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1715142173849448919

We are at the precipice of a major war, in which almost anything can happen, but here is a Netanyahu confidant absolutely laying into RT and saying that Israel will now make sure Ukraine “wins” and Russia “will pay the price” for its ties to Iran and Hamas.

Fuckers are actively trying to start ww3.

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[–] Trustmeitsnotabailou@hexbear.net 83 points 1 year ago (5 children)

When people called Biden the harm reduction candidate. I think they meant the accelarationist candidate

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[–] GVAGUY3@hexbear.net 83 points 1 year ago

I still think about how I was talking to an anti-zionist Jew a long time ago and they told me the story of the time they visited Palestine. They admitted they were kinda nervous because they were thinking that they were a Jew, and what if the Palestinians there hated them. However when they got there, the Palestinians that helped host them where extraordinarily kind and accommodating. They said they had probably some of the most wonderful discussions about everything from sports, theology, life, and history.

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