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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/1874605

A 17-year-old from Nebraska and her mother are facing criminal charges including performing an illegal abortion and concealing a dead body after police obtained the pair’s private chat history from Facebook, court documents published by Motherboard show.

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[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 172 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"Why should I care about my privacy? I don't do anything illegal."

Hmm? Do we now acknowledge that laws and public perceptions of your actions can change with time, and that you may one day become a "criminal" for continuing behaviors that were once legal?

To preempt the "but it should just be legal" whataboutists: Of course it should just be legal, but "criminal charges" suggests that it isn't, and privacy helps you not get caught. Furthermore, this issue contains but is not limited to abortion. It's time that "normal" people wake the fuck up and get on board with privacy rights.

[–] sparemethewearysigh@lemmy.world 66 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is exactly the point I’ve made to friends and family. They complain I’m not on social media like they are and it makes it more difficult to connect with me on things, but I refuse. I will not use services that blatantly disrespect my privacy.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

Same, They treat me like some tinfoil hat conspiracist because I refuse to sign up for social media.

and all the links to news stories showing how these companies abuse that information, like in the above news story, are met with handwaves and eye rolls.. Cause they wont care or listen until the leopard eats their face.

[–] ZombieTheZombieCat@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I know, I have no social media and just left reddit too. I hate it when I hear that not being on social media is a "red flag" in the dating scene. But I guess I wouldn't want to be with someone who cared so little about privacy anyway.

[–] theterrasque@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago

Posting "I have no social media" on lemmy. I guess lemmy is antisosial media

[–] beatlepus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sorry to say, it's not disrespect. It's a contract. You want to connect, you sell off your ~~soul ~~ data.

THIS SERVICE IS NOT FREE OF COST. is not plainly written in the contract, but here they are; "disrespected".

[–] TheEllimist@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Laws are such that everyone breaks at least one every single day, which allows for elselective enforcement.

[–] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pretty much true. Probably people don’t even consider/realize how many times daily they violate copyrights laws which Congress has empowered the FBI with the absolute discretion and legal justification to pursue anyone for at any time violating some section of the DMCA or other laws which can result in absolutely life destroying penalties. Now of course the FBI doesn’t often pursue individuals for piracy or whatever (they had a stint of doing so in the early 2000s but I think the insanely bad PR + 9/11 distracted them away), but they could. And anyone who has ever skimmed the methods of how the FBI operates just imagine “legalized mafia.” Not more moral, and in a lot of ways worse. If they suspect you or X crime (doesn’t actually matter what it is, “real crime or bullshit crime”) they can lean on your ass with the built-in “well, we already know from your phone and harddrive you had 25 pirated movies and software. We could just charge you with that if you don’t sign this document admitting to [crime some agent wants on his record].” It’s just classic extortion type bullshit. Everyone is a criminal so we can grab anyone for almost any thing “legally” at any time and make them admit to anything we want. It’s insanely fucked up on a billion levels. (And don’t grt hung up on the piracy hypothetical, it can be anything like drug possession for personal use that they’ll easily call “intent to distribute.” Yes, even weed.)

[–] TheEllimist@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And you didn't even mention driving. Every single time someone drives, they break a law, whether it's not using your turn signal properly, speeding 1 mile over the speed limit, or even wearing headphones.

[–] Millie@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Who wears headphones while driving? That should be illegal!

[–] TheEllimist@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

It is, at least in California. You have ronhave at least one ear free.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 year ago

Do we now acknowledge that laws and public perceptions of your actions can change with time, and that you may one day become a “criminal” for continuing behaviors that were once legal?

I've been making this argument for years. I know I'll be on a list if my country slips into fascism, as it appears to be hell-bent on achieving during my lifetime.