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[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 74 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hexbear, Lemmygrad, and Lemmy.ml will filter out most of it. Ani.social will flood your feed with furry porn, so unless that's your thing, I'd do them as well.

[-] TWeaK@lemm.ee 103 points 1 year ago

Lemmy.ml is somewhat more neutral. In Lemmygrad you can sometimes have a discussion, but you will probably be downvoted. Hexbear is just toxic, it's like Lemmygrad but for 14 year olds.

[-] Stamets@startrek.website 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No it isn't.

Lemmy.ml is run by the same group of people that run lemmygrad. They took over the domain a couple of months ago. Since then, Lemmy.ml has turned into a tankie paradise.

Moreover, Lemmy.ml will apply inconsistent moderation without ever informing you what happened. I was having posts removed, no one was telling me anything, and then suddenly I was banned for two weeks. I tried reaching out for help to get clarity and there was zero response.

Lemmy.ml is a dumpster fire that should be avoided at all possible costs unless you want to deal with reddit style moderation and behavior combined with the toxicity of lemmygrad and hexbear.

[-] Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 year ago

I can tell you Lemmygrad and Lemmy.ml are not the same. If anything, lemmy.ml is privacy/tech based more than anything, with disdain for capitalism. They're not hardcore "AYE, COMRADE" like hexbear or lemmygrad, Jesus christ

[-] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 10 points 1 year ago

Theyre run and populated by the exact same people, bud

They are a little bit more mask on than mask off, but they are just as hardcore tankie because its literally the same people

[-] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago

NO??? ml was the first general purpose instance and so had the most amount of users at the beginning, meaning a lot of normal communities developed there

[-] Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Don't confuse the newbie who just got out of his Reddit bubble, he's scared and alone

[-] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 12 points 1 year ago

Right, keep pretending the admins arent the same. Blame reddit for your confusion over 2 servers being owned by the same people.

Surely you will look clever, and smart. No one will find you out

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[-] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 7 points 1 year ago

Oh good! Let's trot out the condescension!

Your sense of entitled elitism does not redound to the quality of your character.

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[-] greywolf0x1@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago
[-] Stamets@startrek.website 24 points 1 year ago

Thank you for literally proving my point for me.

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago

Genuine question, is that like supposed to be a legit insult or more ironic?

[-] TragicNotCute@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

They definitely see it as an insult. Check the comment history and you’ll see there is no attempt at irony. Just an angry poster who’s fallen too deep into it.

[-] thepaperpilot@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

If you go to very leftist areas of the internet (socialist or communist areas, anywhere from anarchistic (bottom left) to authoritarian (top left)) you'll see people using liberalism by its political science definition, rather than the definition its taken on within American culture. It stems from the idea of capital moving freely (that is, liberally) without restrictions. You'll also see it referred to as neoliberalism in the same spaces.

Full disclosure, I myself am pretty extremely socially libertarian (arguably borderline anarchistic), and have used liberal derogatively myself.

[-] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

wdym by

They took over the domain a couple of months ago. ?

wasn't ml started by Dessalines/nutomic??

[-] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

THAT makes sense why ani.social defederated from Lemmy.ml (I only subscribed to the anime instance since it had the largest user base)

Edit: the “.ml” anime instance is still the largest compared to everyone else. What a shame that we can’t move away from it

This was Ani’s side of the story: https://ani.social/comment/2199318

[-] Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Lemmy.ml defederated from ani.social, pretty sure cuz the borderline pedo bait

[-] naught@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Yep. Explicitly because of CSAM

[-] TWeaK@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

Gonna have to be that guy again, but underage cartoon porn is not CSAM. CSAM as a term was invented to help law enforcement focus their limited resources on actual child victims. Underage cartoons are still child pornography, and still wrong and illegal, but CSAM is something else and deserves more immediate action.

There's no point in having technical terminology if it isn't used correctly :o)

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[-] TWeaK@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

Lemmy.ml is run and was started by the developers of Lemmy. The developers themselves align with lemmygrad, however they try to keep their politics out of lemmy.ml for the most part. It's debateable how effective they are with this, it probably ebbs and flows somewhat.

Moderation without informing you is common across all lemmy instances. Moderators have to go out of their way to notify you, there are no automated messages to go along with moderator action. However, lemmy has always had an open modlog, so you can see why you were moderated if you look it up. Note: sometimes I've had difficulty loading the modlog, particularly the instance modlog (where an overall instance ban would be), though community modlogs tend to load fine.

Also, you should bear in mind the difference between instance admin and community moderators - a community moderator is allowed to run their community as they see fit, within the rules of the instance (like reddit was supposed to be). If a moderator wants to ban you, they may have every right to per the instance rules, even if they have no good justification or you didn't break any rules.

Certainly, the hexbear admin are just as bad as the hexbear moderators, and will throw bans around for dubious reasons while protecting their own committing the same offence. Lemmygrad moderators seem a little less eager to ban, but they're still looking for any excuse. I haven't had any encounters with lemmy.ml moderation though, but I wouldn't consider the place a dumpster fire - that title firmly belongs to hexbear.

One good reason to keep lemmy.ml is simply to keep up with lemmy back-end development.

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[-] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And attempt to engage in secondary unused communities? A lot of the most active communities are on it, you are just asking for your home page to be either way too filtered or a wasteland.

[-] Stamets@startrek.website 10 points 1 year ago

I have cut lemmy.ml out of my diet entirely. My homepage is perfectly fine. People really dive back on this but all lemmy.ml offers is toxicity. Is that really worth looking at in the first place? Even if it was all a wasteland, that's still preferable to a toxic landfill.

[-] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't think !pokemon@lemmy.ml is that toxic, or !linux_gaming@lemmy.ml, or !patientgamers@lemmy.ml

I always have my home to "Subscribed", I see nothing really bothering me

[-] Stamets@startrek.website 9 points 1 year ago

Given the admin that is in control of all of those, and admin who have proven that they love to micromanage and moderate individual communities, then yes. Yes it is that toxic.

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

!patientgamers@sh.itjust.works is just as active

[-] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

then subbing to ml as well will give you twice the activity

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[-] CJOtheReal@lemmy.sdf.org 23 points 1 year ago

Lemmygrad and Lemmyml are run by the same insane people...

[-] PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 year ago

Yes indeed but despite their more extreme beliefs compared to the average lemmings, they are quite lenient and accepting with lemmy.ml. I wouldn't call the devs insane, solely for the fact that they gladly welcomed all the Reddit immigrants despite that they get numerous hate posts about their ideology.

Just to clarify, I'm just a normal libcenter guy, not an extremist.

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

My multiple bans would suggest otherwise, you either get downvoted or banned. They really don't like it when people actually agree with you.

[-] Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

That wouldn't have anything to do with you being an obnoxious dink, would it?

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[-] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Huh, didn't know that. Lemmyml seemed totally fine though?

[-] TWeaK@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

Lemmy.ml is run by the developers of Lemmy. They align with lemmygrad, however they try to keep their politics out of lemmy.ml. How successful they are with that is another matter.

[-] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Well, I've never come across anything that made me notice, which is certainly a good thing.

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[-] CJOtheReal@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 year ago

If you want to see the face of a instance, look in the modlog.

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[-] YeetPics@mander.xyz 10 points 1 year ago

They're all radioactive shitholes. There is no "lesser evil", it's all hypocrisy and willful ignorance in those circles.

[-] yukichigai@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 year ago

Lemmy.ml has several solid communities, including the largest AskLemmy community. Their top 20 largest communities are all pretty mainstream and don't really see the kind of posts/comments that make people wary of Lemmygrad or Hexbear.

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

I've had multiple bans from Lemmy.ml, they are anything but neutral. The best way to cop a ban is to make a comment arguing with their point of view that people actually agree with, they hate that.

They're also some of the most insufferable people on the Internet.

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[-] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Add ani.social too IMO.

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