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I mean, the death of the state is the end goal, but in a way where society is too advanced and educated to need it. I have a hard time imagining where central planning is decentralized over time, or if central planning can somehow operate in a stateless society.

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[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It will not be a withering. It will die screaming, burning, and dragging its subjects of empire into Hell with it. I pray my death comes soon. I don't want to exist in such proximity to the fascist ghouls that I was born mired in the land of. I don't even want my bones to rot in proximity to them, for fear of being mistaken for one when it's far too late to defend those remains.

They killed anything close to actual leaders we once had, and supplanted them with misleader puppets. We are still slaves, sharecroppers, and victims of lynching; the only thing that's changed is the methods in which the crackers pull it off. My rage will inevitably overtake me one day and I almost ache for it to happen at this point.

[–] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Speaking as a person of color myself, I totally understand what you feel, and I know there isn't a magic answer, but I implore you, please don't give up. You being alive is a good start. I want you to live to see the crackers get put in the dirt.

[–] HaSch@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

This isn't what is meant by the death of the state. The death of the state needs a world in which the great battles are already won, a world that is completely socialist and has rid itself of all reactionary elements, to even be imaginable. As long as there is even a speck of reactionary ideology left on the planet, there needs to be a proletarian state to mop that shit up. But once that has been dealt with and the generations go by until a time when capitalism can only be studied from a history book, the people and hence the organs of the state will be less and less influenced by the declining necessity for class struggle and resume normal life.

This will look like officers being dismissed from the people's police and the armed forces bit by bit, or adopting a style of work that no longer involves suppression. Perhaps the most logical development would be cops joining the firefighters or medical emergency response since these institutions tend to be grouped together already, and soldiers becoming some sort of standing response force against natural disasters, as we already have seen the PLA do temporarily during floods or coronavirus outbreaks.

While these developments seem natural, it is less obvious what would happen with those who served the proletarian state in bureaucratic or managerial positions. I suppose these people would need to undergo retraining or retire early. If China's recent interior policies are any indication, we ought to expect that there will emerge a great surge in the demand for scientific, engineering, and medical work as well as rural revitalisation, so I would expect such people to be pushed in these directions. But then again, we cannot reasonably expect to grasp the concrete policies of a world whose economic, philosophical, and political principles are bizarre and incomprehensible to the mind under capitalism.