Every single country on Earth except like seven (I only remember the Vatican and Paraguay) acknowledges that Taiwan is a dependent province of the PRC, including the USA and just about all of Europe.

[–] YaBoyMax@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, but as you know in many cases it's for purely diplomatic reasons since acknowledging Taiwan's sovereignty means basically severing ties with the PRC, and most countries do far too much trade with it to make that in any way appealing.

[–] axont@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Of course it's purely diplomatic, acknowledging countries is diplomacy. The end result is the same.

[–] YaBoyMax@programming.dev -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The end result here being the non-acknowledgement of Taiwan's de facto sovereignty, which is decidedly not a reflection of reality. I dare you to tell a Taiwanese person that they live in a dependent province of the PRC because other countries serving their own interests said so and see how they respond.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The bulk of Taiwanese support the status quo, including that being their official diplomatic position, so I think it would go over better than you imagine. The diehard separatists are a minority faction.

[–] YaBoyMax@programming.dev -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The status quo has broad support because it keeps the peace, and the Taiwanese people generally don't want to fight a war against China. That doesn't equate to the majority of the Taiwanese people holding the view that they're a part of the PRC and it should be fairly obvious that they don't believe nor want that.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

You're the one that invited the thought experiment. I'm sure that is they were polled, they would also say that eternal youth and space travel would be nice, but they need to live in reality, and in reality the path they support is one where their official status as far as most international organizations are concerned is that Taiwan is part of the PRC.

You can't expect anyone to take you seriously when you are so blatantly trying to cherrypick concepts that support you and explain away those that don't.

I sure wonder how the descendants of the pre-1947 inhabitants -- those who survived the White Terror, I mean -- feel about this issue vs the blatant settler-colonial population of the "government in exile" shoe factory co-founded by the US

[–] axont@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The reality is the Taiwan isn't broadly recognized as a sovereign country, so it doesn't wield the same authority as an independent nation in terms of international agreements, trade, etc. It doesn't have allies who would defend potential sovereignty, and it doesn't have enough guns or money to leverage itself as independent. That's way more important than some abstract discontent some people feel. At best you could say Taiwan is a Chinese client state.

Countries don't exist because some people feel like they should be one. I could ask you to talk to a Texan secessionist and tell them their cause is hopeless.

I will tell a person living in Taiwan they live in a province of China, sure. I don't care. Their government is the remnant of the defeated nationalist faction and I have no sympathy for it. I have way more sympathy for the Gaoshan and other indigenous Taiwanese people who aren't represented well. Taiwan will hopefully get reabsorbed into the mainland within my lifetime.

[–] YaBoyMax@programming.dev -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Texas is de fact and de jure a part of the United States. It's not a valid comparison and you know it.

[–] mar_k@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What do you think about sources having depicted the Donetsk People's Republic as a part of Ukraine?

[–] jackpot@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

me when china threatens to abuse the living shit out of anyone if they recognise an 85 year running independently functioning island just so meatheads like you can spew obvious fat horseshit: 🙁

[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

So fucking what? My government's official stance is not that they are a bunch of dickheads, yet here we are.

Outside of SOME official government communication (Western governments will happily send official delegations to Taiwan from time to time just to piss off the CCP) and other matters of strategic ambiguity like the Olympics, Taiwan is a country. Everybody but China and a few lonesome tankies agrees on that.

So when a private entity shows Taiwan as part of the PRC, it can only be assumed that they are tankies, Chinese propagandists, or incompetent. Either way, probably not trustworthy.