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Um, I am not sure how I feel about this. Why would Xi support a two-state solution? Isn't it more justified to have a one-state solution and return all of the land to the Palestinians? Won't a two-state solution eventually lead us back to another genocide? This feels off. I did not expect Xi to make such a statement.

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[-] Barabas@hexbear.net 23 points 10 months ago

A fascinating case study in how a lot of the people yelling at succdems in the west for proposing a two state solution as liberalism will turn themselves into pretzels to justify that it is actually great when it is Xi.

The only way to end hostilities is to dismantle the zionist entity. If they were willing to accept a two state solution that would have been a reality decades ago, but further settlements are necessary for their ideology.

[-] mar_k@hexbear.net 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Even in an ideal world where a two state solution is reasonably possible, it's inherently unfair to Palestinians. Full stop, they should have complete access to their land, confining them to the smallest, shittiest parts of it while Israel gets the arable, resource dense parts and still receives billions from foreign donors for their little ethnostate start up is not liberation. Even if Palestine got sovereignty and no more settlements were built, until Palestinians get reparations and stolen land back and the Blood and Soil law of return shit is abolished, there is no peace

[-] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 10 months ago

there's a big difference between a permanent two-state solution (practically impossible in the long run, and unreasonable to the Palestinians) and a temporary two-state solution to stop the current genocide and let the Palestinians recover (what Hamas and others want)

[-] Barabas@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago

But this is what Xi is proposing as the permanent lasting solution.

“I have emphasised on many occasions that the only viable way to break the cycle of Palestinian-Israeli conflict lies in a two-state solution, in the restoration of the legitimate national rights of Palestine, and in the establishment of an independent state of Palestine,” Xi said.

I'd say the Oslo accords were the last dividing point where anything looking like a two state solution without essentially dismantling Israel was realistic. But they assassinated the PM who was cooperating in the effort and the hard line Zionists have been in charge since.

Talking about a temporary two state solution is the same as going back to the pre October 7th status quo. Israel isn't going to end their current course unless forced to by outside forces.

[-] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

that quote doesn't state whether it's a permanent solution or a temporary one, only that he believes it would establish some kind of peace (again, no duration specified); how you interpret it depends on your view of the CPC, and I'm inclined to believe that they're highly competent and geopolitically informed

Talking about a temporary two state solution is the same as going back to the pre October 7th status quo

no, it would return part of the occupied territories to the Palestinians, leaving them in a better position for the inevitable conflict to dismantle "Israel"

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