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[–] Stoneykins@mander.xyz 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I'm on team "glad you responded" but I still wanna respond to 2 things you said.

First, a lot of anti-abortion people want the abortion conversation to end at "this is murder", but how do you address the bodily autonomy argument? Even if I accept any and all abortions as the full death of a complete person, why are women compelled to donate their bodies to save another person? I don't support forced organ donations to save lives, and by that logic I also do not support forced pregnancies. Any opinion on that perspective?

Christian nationalism isn't complicated in what it is, it is just the desire/push/beliefs from the people that want a nation with an explicitly christian government, a christian theocracy. If it completely took over everything, freedom of religion would be dead, everything would be christian. To try and rephrase it bluntly, Christian nationalism is the desire for and work towards a Christian nation. Some people take it seriously, some people don't, some people outright support it, others deny it even is a real concept.

Edit to add: if you aren't anti-lgbtq, will you call your representatives that you vote for and emphatically tell them so? The difference in opinions between conservatives and their politicians about lgbtq is something I hear from most conservatives I've talked to, but it makes me sad to see they don't really care beyond saying "I'm not anti-lgbtq". If you vote for an anti-lgbtq politician because of other policies they support, please at least tell them you don't agree with their anti-lgbtq stance. It is literally the least amount of help I can think of to ask for.

[–] blackstampede@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm anti abortion once the fetus is viable. Prior to that point, a woman is refusing to let someone else use her body to survive, and while there are personal moral questions there, I think she should have the right to make that call. After that point, she's attempting to kill someone else to avoid the suffering that a birth would entail.

I still support her right to rid herself of an unwelcome guest, I just don't support abortion as the method.

I'm aware that late term abortions are so vanishingly rare that this is a pointless hair-splitting exercise, but I like to have a consistent moral system as much as I can, whether it's currently relevant or not, and I thought someone might appreciate my .02.

[–] Ataraxia@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you had been aborted once viable you wouldn't have neither cared or known.

[–] blackstampede@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago

If someone shoots me in the head while I'm sleeping I wouldn't care or know either.

[–] Blamemeta@lemm.ee -5 points 11 months ago

In my mind, so long as lgbtq people have both free speech and the right to bear arms, the rest of their rights will come. See: The marches and protests that lead to gay marriage. Those two rights come before everything else, and support everything else.