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A severe heatwave is ongoing in Europe. Temperature records broken in France, Switzerland, Germany and Spain.

On 11 July 2023, the Land Surface Temperature (LST) in some areas of Extremadura (Spain) exceeded 60°C, as highlighted in this data visualisation derived from measurements from the Copernicus Sentinel-3 Sea and Land Surface Temperature Radiometer (SLSTR) instrument. The ongoing heatwave in Spain this week is resulting in a total of 13 autonomous communities, being at extreme risk (red alert), significant risk (orange alert), and risk (yellow alert) due to maximum temperatures that, in some cases, will exceed 40°C and reach a maximum of 43°C.

For reference, "in areas where vegetation is dense, the land surface temperature never rises above 35°C. The hottest land surface temperatures on Earth are in plant-free desert landscapes."

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[–] pizzahoe@lemm.ee 123 points 1 year ago (8 children)

The world is burning but no one gives a shit.. i don't think anyone will until literally their house is on fire.

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not even then sometimes. In Germany, there was a small village buried under a mudslide from a flashflood that was a direct consequence of extreme weather patterns created by climate change. That same village overwhelmingly voted for conservative politicians that don't care about doing anything about climate change the very next year.

[–] maegul@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

For a while now, the question of democracy has been haunting the climate change issue. In the west, at least, it has shown itself ill-suited to the task of handling climate change. Of course, seriously proposing older forms of government would be dangerous and perhaps even insane. But the tension is there, and when we look back on all of this, democracy, or the form we have, is likely not going to look good.

[–] Eximius@lemmy.lt 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Any form of government with idiots at the helm will fail. With power at the helm and feebleness of the people defining the grandeur of the fail.

I.e. I want to say: the form of government doesnt matter. Just defines the imaginary friction for the government to do things and stuff.

[–] charlytune@mander.xyz 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] dexx4d@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] charlytune@mander.xyz 2 points 1 year ago

Please can you tell me where you source your optimism from because I can't seem to get any.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Democracy just means the number of people getting kickbacks is a number above 1. The higher the number the more democratic.

The trick is to make it so that the people who profit from fixing climate change are big enough to be in the group that gets kickbacks.

As evil as Nixon was he wasn't an idiot. You can get environmental rules passed as long as someone is getting their palm's greased.

[–] schmorpel@slrpnk.net 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've spent last August sitting in the shade listening to the music from the village parties mixed with the sound of the airplane engines flying over a nearby forest fire. It was bizarre. But then, what is one to do really? People who live around here aren't really the ones to blame. Can't really blame them for still wanting to have their village party. While I, who does give a shit, do little more than eating local and avoiding consumerism. Eating the rich might me more efficient, but there's none around here, we just have grapes and potato.

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.one 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The people with the real power to do anything are the people who will suffer the least. We're going off the rails on a crazy train.

[–] schmorpel@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

'Crazy train' describes well the feeling I had last summer. Like the 'this is fine' meme. And this summer will be the same. You hide, keep your garden watered, and hope the fires won't get you this year. All while the officials keep advising to plant more Eucalyptus for profit and organic matter is blamed for the problem and burned for biofuel or on people's fields - instead of reincorporated into the landscape as it should be. Here in Portugal, for animal bedding, most buy straw bales from the overheated because desertified Extremadura instead of cutting the Giesta (broom) as people used to do. Why are the Spanish straw bales cheaper? Because fossil fuels and the big scale agriculture attached to them create a fake price for the straw (I'm not an economist and don't know the right terms, but it's like the prices for fossil fuels and their derivates don't contain the environmental damage caused by its use). And the Giestais, unused, grow and spread the wildfires.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

In Economic terms, it's Negative Externalities not being reflected in the price.

Negative Externalities are negative effects of an economic activity which are dispersed in their effect and thus affect everbody but just a little each (while the positives are all gains for the people doing that activity). These are things like Polution, destruction of Ecological Systems, emission of Global Warming gases and so on - there are quite a lot of things that are like that.

Mathematically (and in practice) the Free Market will never compensate for those (quite the contrary: it makes them more likely), which is why some kind of legislation which is actually enforced is needed to control such things.

This being Portugal, there is no political will to control most of those things (rivers are only clean nowadays because the EU forced it) so either there is no legislation, there is but it's toothless, there is but the fines are way less than the profits from law-breaking or there is but those supposed to uphold the law are activelly hindered in their work, have no real power to do so or are starved of funds so can't in practice do the job (just notice how the Comission for Transparency of Income of Politicians in Public Office has been for years waiting for approval for the location of their HQ)

The country might as well change its name to Cronyist Crookland.

[–] schmorpel@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's it, negative externalities. Thanks for reminding me of the word. Which group would I support if I wanted to change something in Portugal? I have found a lot of middle class 'feel good activism' (planting trees which then die, talking endlessly about what to do, pass the same old advice to fellow citizens ...), but that doesn't really cut it. The country is a beautiful banana republic and has a few nice valleys to hide in, and I have been living here long enough to want to help protect these places. How can we hold accountable the industries who want to come here to destroy and extract?

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Frankly, having even become a member of a supposedly thinking leftwing party in Portugal, I have concluded that the country is screwed as there really isn't any strategical thinking or even merelly political ideas constructed from the bottom up out of principles: it's all tribalism, celebrity culture, slogan parroting and people with a ridiculously narrow life experience improvising politics in the spot.

Looking around, I don't think there is a single political movement in the country with an actual thought through strategy or vision for improving things. Politics in Portugal is a microcosmos of the management culture in the country - which I can tell you from experience is amazingly bad compared to the rest of Europe - only with people that are even worse than that perry lousy average.

I'll probably go back to live abroad.

[–] TrenchcoatFullofBats@belfry.rip 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Heirs of a cold war
That's what we've become
Inheriting troubles I'm mentally numb
Crazy, I just cannot bear
I'm living with something' that just isn't fair

[–] xuxebiko@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Northern India saw intense heatwaves just a few weeks back and now is being drowned. Indians are used to heatwaves and floods, but this year the intensity and scale both are frightening.

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

This was the reason it changed from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change". More energy is being dumped into the weather system. This makes everything more extreme. The heating is almost incidental to it. The extra energy is the killer.

[–] Marsupial@quokk.au 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That’s climate change to a tee, it’s more the usual pattern but taken to the extreme, and it’s only going to get worse each year.

[–] Nepenthe@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yyyyep. We've never been prepared for our normal weather here for whatever reason, and I simply can't wait for winters to worsen too, now that it's very visibly tipped over the edge. /s

I'd rather die in heat than cold, which insinuates it's definitely going to be the latter.

[–] Blizzard@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] NewEnglandRedshirt@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Relevant username. (Are we doing that on Lemmy?)

[–] Chetzemoka@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

If that's the case, then I'm worried for you...

[–] s08nlql9@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

username checks out

[–] moosh@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

If I makes you feel any better, I give a shit.

[–] Arin@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your comment signals lighting government official's houses on fire nonstop so they start doing something

[–] pizzahoe@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] DFTBA_FTW@lemmy.fmhy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

"You say the ocean's rising like I give a shit You say the whole world's ending, honey, it already did" - All Eyes on Me

[–] Kekzkrieger@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

And even then they will find a way to blame it on anything else and people will be saying houses have always burned.