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Rolling Stone has quite an article: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/henry-kissinger-war-criminal-dead-1234804748/
"Henry Kissinger, War Criminal Beloved by America’s Ruling Class, Finally Dies" (It's long too, they've been sitting on this one for a while)
For me it's bittersweet feelings. I would have rather at this point that he lived another 20 years and saw the world he built crumble entirely. He was also out of power and there are many like him much younger still in power. Where is the Blinken, Pompeo, Nuland, etc watch for their death for their complicity in crimes against humanity? Smaller in total deaths but still in the hundreds of thousands.
His death will mark my words be a ritual cleansing for western leftists and anti-war liberals, they will point to it and declare the evil has gone, it has died, America was bad but with his death that chapter closes and now we're good supporting wholesome 100 totally-not-Nazis in Ukraine among many other dubious movements.
I hope he still had enough marbles rolling around up there by the end to recognize that the empire he helped build on a tower of blood and skulls couldn't even keep their hard-won hegemony together for 25 years before falling off the rails. This was supposed to be the American Century, that was what it was all for- all the wars and barbarity our young nation eagerly embraced- so we could crack open the final peoples who still resisted Liberal Capitalism. The end of history some said!
Instead we immediately fell for all the same classic blunders of other empires we supposedly learned so much from: decades long land war in Asia ending in humiliating failure, getting entangled with another fucking Zionist war in the middle east, neglecting our domestic population in favor of more imperialism so much that it creates lasting and rapidly deteriorating social and political instability. We created so much resentment there is now a worldwide, self-conscious, anti-hegemonic collation aligning against us. It's going to be a rough, hard fall for America in the future. If he's such a smart statesman like his friends say, than Kissinger must have realized this, though I doubt he had any regrets regardless.
I think he probably would have blamed others. It hopefully upset him but I'm sure he thought it was the fault of others.
I agree, though I do not think there is any harm in celebrating the death of an objectively horrible person. As long as you don't think that everything is peachy-keen and all that is left is rainbows and unicorns.
Sure there's nothing wrong with it. As long as you don't think you know it changes anything or especially changes the fact there are people just as vile as him currently in power, Nuland, Blinken, a few others. I think it's unfortunate many who rightfully hate on Kissinger for crimes that are okay to admit will also deny more recent crimes (Ukraine for instance) and not see the modern Kissingers actually wielding power and destroying human lives as we type to each other and not hope and pine for their demise as they have for Kissinger.
Oh agreed again for sure, there's plenty of people still around as bad as him. I don't think we are in any disagreement at all.
I will say that since he was still meetings diplomatic figures he probably had some pull, so it remains a good thing he kicked out now because he was likely still actively doing harm.
There's also a tiny chance some people might go "Huh, if this guy was that bad maybe some of these other politicians were too...". I don't hold all that much hope, but call me an optimist.
They're just as bad but the plus side (if you can characterize it as that) is they're way dumber. It's telling that towards the end of his life he was calling out the Biden admin for being reckless af.