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[โ€“] mughaloid@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I just want to know a bit, jews are called children of Israel so Askenazi Jews are those who fled Israel after 70 AD after the 2nd temple destruction by romans? Or they existed before the 2nd temple period and so the period before existence of Torah?

[โ€“] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's somewhat right, but it was gradual and did not happened in the next few centuries. Jewish diaspora existed even before 70AD, though indeed refugees fleeing from the Roman massacres speed up things. Most of Jews in diaspora lived in the Mediterranean shores, notably Egypt, but also in Italia, Iberia, Narbonensis, Greece, Dalmatia etc. where their presence is confirmed in I-II century already. Ashkenazi are decendant of those diaspora Jews that moved north together with romanisation (for example their first main community in Germany was in Cologne) and organising of states on that areas. Next was a period of opression in the kingdoms of Visigoths and Merovingian France where Jews were forced to convert or exiled, but after Charlemagne build his empire he gave Jews the merchant and financial privileges which stabilised their situation and allowed to develop into the medieval Ashkenazi in the next few centuries.

[โ€“] mughaloid@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Judaism and Jews are a fascinating case, I always thought jews are a particular race which had a common origin in the middle East or ancient cannan. It's also amazing that Jews also lived in Arabia during Muhammed's period. But they got converted or exiled too.

[โ€“] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Iirc there were also many judaistic Arabs in the time of Muhammad and before (even entire kingdoms, most notable of which was the Himyar kingdom in Yemen) and of course even after.

[โ€“] mughaloid@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I don't know how much it is true but it's has been noticed that houthi movement has killed jews and exiled them. They were indigenous to Yemen and Arabs

[โ€“] ComradePupIvy@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 10 months ago

By any chance do you have any spource for thus I have not heard it before?