cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/12971023
Hi folks, out of pure curiosity, I was poking some graphs.
It's been about half a year since the big API protest, so I was curious to see what Lemmy's crtitical mass looks like, what the staying power is, etc. Screenshots taken from https://the-federation.info/platform/73 on 2024-01-09. I'm posting screenshots because they're a snapshot in time, and because that stats server is very slow.
Because I'm posting on lemmy.ca, I'll post quite a few related to this instance, but it's probably more widely applicable and you can get graphs from your instance too. I'll also post some lemmy.world and lemmy.ml graphs, since they make interesting points of comparison -- biggest server, and original server.
First, lemmy-wide total users count, where this is a rolling one month window. If a user was online within the month, they count here.
First observation -- there's some jagged edges in the graph due to things popping in and out of the federation. So it's probably more useful to look at single servers. Lemmy.world came online pretty much coincidentally with the API protest and had open registration, so it makes a good data point. You can see the surge of users, then the plateau of the people who stuck around:
Lemmy.ml below has a similar curve, plus some sort of data artefact.
As does lemmy.ca, below:
I suspect the data artifact is related to the transition from 0.18 to 0.19 and something changed in the way active users was counted in between. Lemmy.world is still running 0.18.5.
Notes: The difference between the peak and the plateau is higher on lemmy.world and lemmy.ml -- I suspect this is because they were more popular places to sign up during the protest. Whereas lemmy.ca has retained more users, as a percentage. Still, the total number of active users on each server is quite low.
In the same order (total, lemmy.world, lemmy.ml, lemmy.ca), total posts. The slope of this line represents post rate. Steeper line is better. Flat line means dead instance.
And comments. I wish there was a comments to posts ratio, which would be some indication of engagement levels. But you can sort of work it out.
Anyway, looks like post rate has decreased slightly since the initial bump, but are still looking good. But the comment rate hasn't flattened as much. So the users that were retained seem to be more engaged than the users from the initial bump. I think this is a good thing for the health of lemmy. Likewise, the growth in supported apps, improvements to the software (Scaled sort in 0.19 is night-and-day better than anything prior!), and others will allow lemmy to not only survive, but be ready for whatever influx happens next.
I want to send a special shout out to all the admins, particularly on my home instance of lemmy.ca, and the coders who keep improving things. Thanks for giving us all a home!
My sympathies to anyone who has to use reddit because their niche community either doesn’t have enough activity or doesn’t exist at all.
I’m more of a casual user who’s just here for the news and memes, so fortunately I don’t have that problem.
Okay, more serious answer. You look like you're on kbin, so I don't know if this applies -- nevertheless.
On Lemmy 0.19, the Scaled sort algorithm is such a good improvement over (Hot/All/Top/...) that existed prior to 0.19. It's basically a Hot sort, but it's weighted by community size. So if you're subscribed to a small community, that gets one post a week, it's still likely to end up in your feed. I've noticed a huge improvement when switching to it as my default sort -- suddenly that weird music community I subbed to, but never noticed any of the posts -- is in my feed. Etc.
Lemmy.world is still on 0.18, but when they upgrade (I have no information on that process) I suspect that people should be switching to it as their default sort for a better experience if they're into niche topics.
I chatted with the lemmy.world folks about a month or so ago and they mentioned that 0.19 wasn't fully stable yet. The Lemmy instances being split is a real pain for app developers lol can't wait till this gets resolved tbh
That's cool and all, but sorting is only part of the issue.
The other part is that they're simply aren't enough people here yet. That will change with time, of course, I'm not too concerned about that. Hopefully the sorting will help draw attention to vacant communities in need of filling.
Decenteralized systems in all it's glory, but I think at some point we will need to address or come up with a solution on how we market niche communities.
In reddit it was so simple to find your communities. Let's say you grew interest in Balisongs, then you just type r/balisong and there you are. This helps discovery immensly.
Doing this on a lemmy instance will only get you to that instance community. Which means you might have like 10 of these already niche communities spread out around different instances.
Personally I'd think a system where an instance can promote or assign another instance community as the "main" one, with some type of backup feature, would help Lemmy grow.
But I also think that opinion is controversial considering the nature of a decentralized system.
You can find communities on https://lemmyverse.net/communities
I know I can.
But my point is that a lot of users will not stay here if they need to jump through different identical-communities across several instances or other websites to build their content-flow.
So you're saying I should try Hot sort now? Hmm. Let's see.
I still need to put in the work to sub to all the alternatives. I had hundreds of subs and my front page was so curated. But now on Lemmy, I tried Hot for new/fresh content, but I have to browse Active most of the time due to the amount of just single up vote posts on Hot.
I just wish we had more people. I’m doing my part of being active though!
Even if you find alternatives to all your reddit communities, they might be empty placeholder communities. Someone needs to get the content kicked off in them.
Admittedly it's not just a lemmy problem. Small reddit subs sometimes have the same issue. My specific field of science is called geophysics. I stopped posting to r/geophysics during the API protest -- it was already pretty quiet, and I previously accounted for a significant amount of the content/chatter. But after I stopped posting, what remains is conspiracy theory nonsense mostly. Well, normally I'd report that, but now I'm just watching reddit burn. Started !geophysics@lemmy.ca and it's just as quiet in there, with mostly me posting... but hey, if I'm going to scream into an empty void, it might as well be here :)
Hey, cool! I didn’t know about Scaled sorting. Thanks again!
My niche community didn't exist, so I just made it myself and started posting. Be that change you want to see.
You've got a pretty cool community. I enjoy every one of your posts.
Thanks! User engagement is what keeps me going. Otherwise it feels like I'm just talking into a void.
THIS is the way to do it, folks! Nice work!
Thanks! !forgottenweapons@lemmy.world has been around for about a month and we're almost at 1k members!
lol that’s YOU?!? https://lemmy.world/c/forgottenweapons showed up randomly in my feed one day, and I subscribed because it’s unique and interesting! Awesome!
Glad to hear it! And yes that is me. You're making me feel like Lemmy's second biggest celebrity, behind the android community moderator Margot Robbie. If you enjoy the posts don't forget to check out the Forgotten Weapons YouTube channel & website.
The community is sort of a place for fans of the show to post stuff that other fans would enjoy, but it's got a whole bunch of members who actually have found out about Forgotten Weapons through the Lemmy community first. I'm really glad to see people who find out about Forgotten Weapons from the community. It makes me feel like I'm giving back to Ian McCollum for everything I've learned from his show.
I’ve watched several videos! I know next to nothing about guns, so hearing about the oddities is a fun way to learn.
It’s also fascinating that Robbie finds a way to balance her celebrity career with moderating a community on Lemmy lol
That takes a small amount of effort. Can you just create my niche communities for me?
Sure. But only if your niche community is centered around a YouTube channel run by a man with a three musketeers looking mustache and ponytail who travels the globe to disassemble military prototypes.
That sounds pretty fun. Does he do UFOs too?
No but I think we have one for UFOs
I miss my niche communities, but I don't have my app anymore soooo. Tough for me, tougher for spez.
In that case, I recommend !tenforward@lemmy.world ;)
Subbed! Thanks!
sadly even things like memes were better on Reddit, maybe I could do something to change that