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A federal judge has gone to great lengths to make clear Trump really did rape E. Jean Carroll
(www.motherjones.com)
this post was submitted on 20 Jan 2024
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Trump and his lawyers have been really pissing off both the judge and the jury with how unseriously they're treating the proceedings. They're gonna take two hours (an absurdly short time for a jury) and write a check for $15mil, I bet.
Trump will never pay anyone. They're going to have to garnish his pension from being president.
It wouldn’t even be the first time he’s had to declare bankruptcy. For the ultra wealthy, bankruptcy doesn’t mean you’re financially ruined; It just means the bank has a bad day when they find out you aren’t repaying them.
There’s an old saying along the lines of “If you owe the bank $100k and can’t repay it, you have a big problem. If you owe the bank $100M and can’t pay it back, the bank has a big problem.”
Bankruptcy doesn't mean you don't have to pay the debts, it means the court is given control of your finances and decides who gets paid from it if you don't have enough to pay everyone. Declaring bankruptcy would result in his accounts being wiped out.
Not the one in Moscow.
Assuming he doesn't get back in in 2024 (or 2028) and exonerate himself from his own crimes.
The president cannot pardon state level crimes let alone state level civil judgements.
Okay, sure, buuut... what if his name is Donald Trump and he REEEEEALLY wants to?
We listen to him bitch about it for 10+ years and somehow it magically happens by some judge that throws away 100 years of presedent.
The President can't declare he won an election he lost. Didn't stop him from trying.
Yeah, sure. But if Trump pardons an offense in a Republican state, criminal or civil, which way do you think the state would swing?
This is a civil trial, there are no crimes to pardon.
True, but I'm confident that alone won't stop Trump, certainly not his attempts anyway.
We have to remember this is someone who does not play by the rules. He relies on everyone else doing so.
There’s still one other role for him to piss off if he wants to go for the trifecta.
Not in a civil trial, unfortunately.
I know. I’m just keeping score at home and looking to be able to say “That’s a bingo!”
I think they are likely to return an award for punitive damages that is closer to $150 million.
How did you come up with that number?
A few factors:
Carroll's attorney Robbie Kaplan made it a point to strategically and repeatedly use Trump's claims of being a multi-billionaire against him, including in his opening statement where he asked the jury to return punitive damages that would be sure to stop further defamation based on his self-attested net worth.
After seeing the amount that the jury returned in the Ruby and Shay Moss case against Rudy Giuliani I think that it is reasonable to expect this jury to weigh that in their deliberations, and return a similar or even greater amount in this case due to the actual finding of rape.
Everybody wants to be king for a day, and jury's historically punish the fuck out of their peers when they feel they are being disrespectful towards the victim, the court, or the jury itself. In this case I would expect them to throw the book at Trump to make a statement about the power of the jury system in the United States.
I am confident in saying that the award for punitive damages in this case will be far greater than most are expecting. I wouldn't be surprised if it was even more than $150 million. You can come back here and tell me I'm a moron if I got this totally wrong, but I don't think I do.
Considering Alex Jones' judgment was $1 billion (not that he's even pretended to pay any of it), I think caps are off the table.
I'll put the under-over at 250M
Not even counting that he's acting like a spoiled cunt during the proceedings, in full display to the jury
So more like $400M
The jury is free to return so much more (or less, heaven forbid!) than sought.