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I know that it has significant meaning to me but I struggle putting it into words to explain it to other people (especially other dya cis people). So like a few years ago I was thinking about if I may be trans femme. I have since realised that no, actually I was just struggling with it for a while because I don't relate to the gender roles and expectations society puts on men. I now identify more strongly with being a man than ever before, and I love being a man in a gender-way. I just absolutely hate being a man in a "what role men have in society"-way.

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[–] isyasad@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Sorry for rant
There's a thing in sociology (or social psychology? I don't really know the difference) called "identity salience" that I think explains gender really well. Basically, people have any number of identities that describe them and they are of varying importance/salience. For example, it can be a big part of somebody's identity that they are a "father," but not a big part of their identity that they are a "driver" or "consumer." Maybe all those words can objectively be applied to this person, but he would likely identify strongly with one over the others. Similarly, right now I'm a "commenter" because I'm leaving a comment. That's something that objectively describes me, but I don't consider it to be an important part of my identity at all. Gender is just like any other identity; it's more or less important to different people. There's already a distinction between sex and gender, even colloquially to an increasing extent, and gender is widely understood to exist as a spectrum or multiple spectrums. It's reasonable to believe that people who don't consider a traditional gender to be an important part of their identity could consider themselves non-binary.
It's true that gender stereotypes exist, but there are plenty of positive characteristics that are also associated with gender like "men are confident" or "women are understanding." If somebody doesn't identify with any of those characteristics or even stereotypes, then they might just feel like they're not accurately described by gendered words. Of course, somebody who doesn't fit the stereotypical idea of a certain gender can still be of that gender; it's all subjective.
If you're interested in simple, objective, binary gender, it's called sex, not gender. And even sex isn't simple, objective, or binary when you really get detailed.