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[–] Kaplya@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I have said it before: this conflict ends with the demilitarization and denazification of NATO. Ukraine is irrelevant at this point. It has’t been for a while.

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

why would not pressing an advantage against a NATO proxy in any way be conducive to that

[–] Kaplya@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Russia has no interest in destroying the Ukrainian forces, because the latter is already a spent force.

For them, the only means of destroying NATO is when Europe increases their defense budget spending and leading to the crumbling of their own economy. This is already happening, and ending the war now gives room for Europe to breathe and rebuild their economy.

As you might have noticed, the militarization of European NATO states will paradoxically lead to the demilitarization of NATO instead.

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago

you're just asserting direct contradictions. UAF not destroyed---but they're spent, more military--demilitarization. but i'm really not interested in the layers upon layers you need to understand Russia's 20-year-plan that totally exists and guides every cautious or backward step the Russian army seems to make.

if the Russians don't want to destroy the UAF and continue the war in perpetuity, then the retreat at Adiivka (the event this comment thread is about) does not then herald a collapse of the Ukrainian position & the war will probably continue. which is what i was concluding, granted from different premises

[–] kig_v2@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is a fair point. Hm. Maybe they're genuinely concerned about escalation, nuclear proliferation? They only want to deal with one Nazi regime at a time and maybe mowing down the routing Nazis all at once will make Poland or the Baltics all slide into conflict at once? Like, control the flow, leak the dam don't burst it. Speculation.

[–] Kaplya@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

What is quickly ending the war going to do for Russia, except for risking higher casualties and giving Europe the room to breathe, as the latter is already going into austerity mode due to their increased military spending?

Russia’s only win condition in this war is economic in nature.

Remember, this is an industrial war - Russia can keep doing this forever while the EU is constrained by its monetary system and fiscal rules. The eurozone will not survive this if they truly want to defeat Russia in military terms. Europe ultimately has to make a choice, and all options available are worse for them.