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[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 24 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Bodycam video

Officer was backing away from the kid, and turned to run away from him. The officer was actively retreating from the attack at the time the shots were fired.

Two officers were present. It is not clear from the video who fired the shots. It is very clear, however, that the kid was actively attacking the officer.

[–] NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 59 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Yea sadly the kid was an aggressor here

But the cops should be using tazers or something non-lethal to deal with this kinda altercation

[–] grue@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago (2 children)

FYI, tazers aren't "non-lethal."

[–] bomberesque1@lemm.ee 34 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] ember@lemmy.ca -5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Why not use tranquilizers? Field biologists use them to check up on wild animals, why can't they use them on "criminals"?

[–] PRUSSIA_x86@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

Tranquilizers aren't instant like they show on TV, most take 20-30 minutes to kick in.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 0 points 8 months ago
[–] lath@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Wasn't there a case some year back where a police officer was attacked and they mistakenly grabbed their gun instead of their tazer due to panic? The details are murky.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 0 points 8 months ago

But the cops should be using tazers or something non-lethal to deal with this kinda altercation

Something non-lethal... Like the "bare hands" they attempted to use on their arrival?

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Tazers fail. A lot. You have one shot and if one of the two barbs don't both go in for a good connection it doesn't work. It's not something anyone would want to count on in a situation where you or someone else is being attacked.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

If you have multiple cops at the scene though, you can easily have one go through the tool kit using tazer, pepper spray, etc, while the other one covers them with a gun.

But that takes like actual thinking and training.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

while the other one covers them with a gun.

Yes, exactly. They work through every less-lethal option they have, with an officer ready to escalate to lethal if the subject ever puts someone at imminent risk of death or grievous bodily harm.

If, for example, an atttacker is ever close enough and aggressive enough to attempt to stick a shovel in someone's head and neck, a covering officer can immediately stop the attack with lethal force.

So, officers could start with a less-lethal option, like a baton, or tazer, or bare hands, and only escalate to lethal force if the situation actually calls for it.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Still trying to ignore everything else about the situation I see.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 30 points 8 months ago

Too bad there aren't things cops could do other than murder when this sort of thing happens.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago

If only a cop had literally any other option to stop someone with a garden implement other than a gun.

Too bad guns are the only option to stop people....

[–] Moneo@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

Police in other countries are constantly able to non-lethally subdue people wielding knives. Do not normalize this reaction.

[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

15 yo with a hoe, vs. 2 "trained", "fit" men with weapons specifically designed to kill instantly with a twitch of a finger.

Everywhere else in the world the kid would get a slap on the wrist, parents penalised, settled and sorted.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Slap on the wrist?

He spent the day trying to kill everyone around him, and you think he deserves a slap on the wrist?

Parents penalized? Theit kid tries to kill them, and you're going to penalize them? The victims?

Your value system is completely out of whack. Kid is a threat to himself and others, and should have been locked up. Whether as a patient in a psychological institution or an inmate in a correctional facility is an open question, but separation from society and professional supervision is not.

[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yes, lock him up, that'll fix him! Fucking put him in a solitary, that does wonders to mental stability, scientifically proven!

Of course he needs to be institutionalised, but I bet to fuck that this didn't just happened out of thin air and parents were neglecting symptoms. I bet they didn't want to / couldn't deal with it because of the insane (no pun) costs associated with it. (only in the USA, of course)

Either way, shooting down an underage with a sharp stick is barbaric and medieval.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 8 months ago

Sensationalist bullshit title from the guardian. Typical now. You can't just get unbiased news in many places. They all have to push an agenda.