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[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee -3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Classic unrelated ml posting. A true lemminator

Edit lol y'all literally have one note

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Classic lib claiming that NATO being full of literal nazis is unrelated to NATO being bad. The fact that you can't connect the two things really shows just what an intellectually impoverished individual you are.

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Don't call them stupid, they're clearly malicious. Call them on that instead.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago
[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee -3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Comment I replied to is explicitly about Russia in Ukraine right now.

Edit then someone posted an image trashing NATO for something unrelated to Russia being in Ukraine right now, thus proving me right.

Talking about other conflicts or historical events is classic goalpost moving.

I didn't contest or even bring up paperclip Nazis in the west, someone reflexively did which is great.

Edit Regarding the image, acting like the us/west was the only one trying to collect Nazi intelligence via recruiting scientists and the like is comical. If the soviets could have got them, they would have. Sucks to suck?

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Talking about other conflicts or historical events is classic goalpost moving.

Describing a pattern of behavior is evidence.

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If the soviets could have got them, they would have.

The Soviets did get some of them. They got the gulag, because they were Nazis.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee -5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Lol no.

Whatever folks they sent to the gulag they wrung dry of knowledge first. Stalin had a fun habit of discarding his playthings when bored.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/605972#:~:text=In%20the%20fall%20of%201945,German%20academics%20and%20industrial%20scientists.

There are many articles on this, pick any source you find acceptable, I don't need to play whackamole and find more than one to get you started

Edit Regarding your links, I never contested paperclip Nazis or NATO involvement in Ukraine but "regime change" in Ukraine is silly. It's a defensive war to kick Russia OUT of Ukraine.

You're just mad it's "kyiv" not "kiev" and it's "Ukraine" not "the Ukraine"

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Not Nazis or NATO, but the US specifically. This isn’t even seriously contested anymore. It’s an open secret that corporate media won’t touch for fear of flak and losing access to sources.

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[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee -3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Dude I thought we moved past this. Are you just linkbombing everything in your feed?

Edit yep, often the exact same stuff. Dang

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Ukraine is a proxy in a war between Russia and NATO.

Edit Regarding the image, acting like the us/west was the only one trying to collect Nazi intelligence via recruiting scientists and the like is comical. If the soviets could have got them, they would have. Sucks to suck?

Only thing comical here is the sheer ignorance on display, sucks to be an ignoramus https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/16/the-u-s-did-not-defeat-fascism-in-wwii-it-discretely-internationalized-it/

[–] Gabu@lemmy.ml -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ukraine is a proxy in a war between Russia and NATO.

Which Russia can stop at any time by LEAVING THE SOVEREIGN SOIL OF ANOTHER NATION.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago

Do explain why you think Russia would do that?

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee -2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Literally never addressed Nazis in the west. Not one bit. Why'd you bring it up?

The point I did bring up is that the soviets also secured rocket engineers, and undoubtedly would have loved to have von Braun and similar.

And beyond that, as the original comment was discussing Russians in Ukraine, which they obviously are. Even if it is a proxy war, it is a just one because Russia kicked it off with a flaccid attempt on kyiv. Edit and NATO is backing Ukraine. If Russia pulled out tomorrow the evil NATO certainly wouldn't chase them into classic Russian territory.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

That’s true: the scientists are hardly worth mentioning, because most were just worker bees. It’s really the assimilation of the Nazi command structure that was the issue.

Communism—unlike liberalism—is incompatible with fascism.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee -4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

They didn't use the command structure you're referring to because they didn't get them. Very silly assuming they just ignored them because of some principled stance.

Agreed communism is incompatible with fascism but that's historically convenient because Stalin was a wolf in sheep's wool on that topic. His government modeled many fascist behaviors quite readily.

Edit also I'd say declaring the workerbee vs command distinction is a clear goalpost move.

I asserted that the soviets took Nazi scientists and technologists, and they did.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I expect you’re right on that last point even without looking at the evidence.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee -2 points 8 months ago

And in the spirit of conversation, I acknowledge NATO is not some benevolent entity against all evils. I just find the kneejerk too much sometimes.