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Today i had the misfortune of encountering a western "leftist" on Twitter. He stans Podemos (a spanish demsoc party, very liberal and proNATO, they are now in a coalition government with the socdems and they love Zelenski). We discussed the Ukraine War and Russia. I thought he would do the typical "ok the US and NATO are very bad, but Russia is bad too!" so i brought up the NATO invasions of Yugoslavia and Libya to show how the west is manufacturing consent now with Ukraine just like they did with Yugoslavia and Libya, which i assumed he would say were bad. Well the motherfucker goes and says "akchually those invasions were good, we stopped genocides and evil dictators". WTF. How are these people "leftists"? They are straight up NATOist warhawks. How is this "the left" now? And this is in Europe, where the left is much stronger than in the US! I cant stand this. HOW IS THIS "LEFTISM"? Im so angry right now, what a piece of shit human being, defending imperialist genocides while calling himself a "leftist". He even had the gull of saying "you arent a leftist, you defend genocidal regimes like the USSR, Putin or North Korea, youre a fascist!". Fucking unbelievable. Ok rant over.

Oh and he also defended finnish and baltic nazis of WW2 and said "bolshevism is just like nazism". Plus he said holodomor was real and when i showed him that expert historians on the subject like Mark Tauger, J Arch Getty and Stephen Wheatcroft think otherwise, he said "youre wrong, the historical consensus doesnt agree with you".

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[โ€“] kamraten@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Finland my fellow comrade. I knew it was coming that Finland were applying to join NATO, but when the announcement came today, the anxiety still hit hard.

The pro-NATO propaganda here have been relentless these past few months and there have been no counter-arguments to NATO in the media, not even from public service. At least I read a letter in one of the newspapers today from the Finnish Peace Union (umbrella org for multiple peace orgs), where the writer heavily criticized the NATO decision and that she had heavily lost trust in public service after all this propaganda.

[โ€“] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I think Finland needs to think very hard about allowing NATO to place any kind of weapons systems on their soil and remember what happened when Finland in 1939 refused to take the Soviet concerns seriously about the border being too close to Leningrad considering the Finnish alliance with Nazi Germany. Finland back then was being egged on by the British to adopt the most recalcitrant and stubborn position possible and refuse to negotiate with Stalin or even acknowledge the security concerns were valid. Present day Finland should hope that Putin is as lenient as Stalin was when he let them keep their independence after what the Finns did, or i foresee a world of hurt...