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[–] Poppa_Mo@lemmy.world 198 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Nice. I got contempt of court once and spent the weekend in jail. No ifs ands or buts about it. Judge wouldn't even let me hand my house keys to my partner. Lol

What a fucking joke.

[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 75 points 6 months ago (5 children)

The judge doesn’t want to give Trump’s team any ammunition for an appeal. I realize it’s absurd, but if he’s thrown in jail without significant warning then they’ll argue it biased the already liberal jury (cause NYC) against him too much.

(I am not a lawyer, that’s just my understanding.)

[–] baru@lemmy.world 68 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The judge doesn’t want to give Trump’s team any ammunition for an appeal.

It's still treating Trump different than most. If it's such a problem to put Trump in jail, why isn't it for any random person?

[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 58 points 6 months ago (2 children)

It's still treating Trump different than most.

Of course it is.

If it's such a problem to put Trump in jail, why isn't it for any random person?

Because he is a former president of the United States who is currently running for re-election. This situation is unique in American history. As much as we may dislike these facts, they are true. The judge is in uncharted waters here, and needs to be careful to avoid anything that can be construed as evidence of bias against the defendant. This trial will be under scrutiny for as long as we have a country.

It’s not fair that most defendants do not have the essentially limitless resources of the entire conservative political machine at their disposal to pay for their legal woes, but it is the reality of the situation.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The judge is in uncharted waters here, and needs to be careful to avoid anything that can be construed as evidence of bias against the defendant.

And in so doing, hold a bias for the asshole.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

The judge is biased on the side of Justice. Getting the case thrown out out of principle wouldn't help anyone but Trump.

[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

And in so doing, hold a bias for the asshole.

Criminal court is intended to be biased towards the defendant. Hence the “beyond a reasonable doubt” burden of proof.

(Obviously that bias is often not upheld properly, and plenty of people are railroaded by the system into unjust convictions.)

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

The court itself might be, but the judge isn’t supposed to be.

They have procedures and guidelines, for everything involved here. Procedures and guidelines that aren’t supposed to take “ex president” into account.

Judges aren’t supposed to allow anyone to intimidate, threaten or otherwise manipulate the witnesses or jury.

Remember- the people of NY are one of the parties; and all parties are entitled to a fair trial.

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago

I would make a terrible judge, because I don’t see how this is uncharted territory. Sure, it’s unprecedented, but that doesn’t mean we don’t know what to do.

Our entire government is made up of citizens, that was the whole point in fighting a war to get rid of an unjust monarchy, ruling from afar.

Trump is a citizen, if he broke the law he needs to go to jail. If he breaks the law during the trial, he should receive the same punishment as any other citizen would. Doing anything else just means we have a 2 tier justice system.

The fact that he has fucked up 10 times and is still a free man is ridiculous. All the judge has done is show trump that he can do whatever he wants and face no repercussions. If you did something 10 times, and then someone gets mad the 11th, you wouldn’t say “sorry my bad” you’d say “why are you mad, I do this all the time”

This country is a joke

[–] Steve@startrek.website 5 points 6 months ago

The stakes are genuinely higher for the court (and the nation) than in your average trial. Gotta be careful.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

I think 11 contempt charges represents 10 more “significant warnings” than anyone else would get.

I legitimate appeals court would accept trumps argument and illegitimate courts aren’t going to care and just side with Trump anyhow.

This isn’t for appeals… it’s for mass consumption; and it’s a massive miscarriage of justice.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (3 children)

The judge doesn’t want to give Trump’s team any ammunition for an appeal.

If you believe this shit, you're fooling yourself. Guy's gotten ten warnings when any off-the-street plaintiff would be lucky to get one. Not only will there be ammo for appeal, Merchan is building precedent of untouchability. My man is straight up announcing

The last thing I want to do is put you in jail.

I-fucking-magine this getting said during any other trial. How much more biased can a judge get?

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Guy’s gotten ten warnings

Playing Devil's Advocate here, but nine of those were all reviewed at the same time, and while the decision to group them all together and issue a final warning was pending, the tenth violation was committed. Technically, and this is a really big fuckin' technically, he has not committed any violations since being put "on notice" that the monetary punishments are over and the jail time would start. They decided on one today that occurred before that decision, so they're not holding it to the same standard.

I do believe the next violation will carry jail time, without a doubt. Trump has also mostly shut up since being put on notice as well because he doesn't want to be put in a cell any more than you or I do.

But it is extremely, maddeningly frustrating that Trump has gotten away with it so far. The Judge's decision today proves beyond a doubt that the law is not being equally applied in favor of Trump himself.

Honestly, I don't know if I could be an impartial judge in this case, because knowing Trump I would have warned him the very second he stepped foot in the courtroom that he was already on notice and that he should expect jail time if even a single word escaped his mouth that is in violation of the gag order that was already in place. Maybe Judge Merchan is more magnanimous, more cool-headed, or simply too wary of the blowback from applying the law equally with a megalomaniac like Trump who has an army of idiots at his back. I don't know. All I know is, I don't think he's out of line just yet, but hearing statements like "I don't want to put you in jail" for a guy who is too rich for fines to have an impact on is not reassuring.

[–] refalo@programming.dev 3 points 6 months ago

I think you're missing the forest for the trees here, check out some of the other comments here, it's more complicated and nuanced than that IMO

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago

There are [rare few???] judges like that, no joke!

I’mma reference an internet one as a kind of source for a judge I met IRL who spent his free time helping folks avoid jail:

https://youtube.com/@CaughtInProvidence

Privacy protecting version:

https://piped.video/@CaughtInProvidence

[–] h3mlocke@lemm.ee 9 points 6 months ago

without significant warning

[–] militaryintelligence@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Hitler got a slap on the wrist because the judge was sympathetic. Same story here.