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[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Libertarianism is just values free Capitalism.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Capitalism has always been values free

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

...and it co-opts and usurps other value systems.

[–] DMBFFF@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's a theory that in reality already mostly doesn't exist. You can hire a range of body guards, personal security people, bounty hunters, and self-proclaimed bad asses to fuck people up.

...the more money you have the more connected you are, the more stuff like that you can do.

NAP is a theory that requires people with money "respect" rather than chilling in the forts they've already built in this system, let alone a more free market one.

NAP is a pipedream Libertarians have circle jerks about but like most of their theories would be utter vaporware in practice.

[–] DMBFFF@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What would happen in the 5 most murderous states in Mexico, or in Haiti, if everyone there had a machine gun?

Would the rich and powerful carry themselves with as much swagger as they do now?

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This is all besides the point. Libertarianism is values free Capitalism, and NAP is a pipedream.

Capitalism usurps all values other than profit. It's toxic.

[–] DMBFFF@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Is libertarianism synonymous with capitalism?

What values are devoid of profiting?

If say, a socialist argued that the average Russian in 1960 was better off than in 1880, and while technology played a positive role, so did the political system, then wt:thon would be arguing that socialism—at least that variant—has profited the average Russian more than monarchy—at least that variant.

and please answer the questions in my previous post, regardless on how it's probable that neither of us have enough information and knowledge to answer something so hypothetical, with a great amount of authority.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm not here for you. I was here for the original topic.

[–] DMBFFF@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Very well. I'll answer them.

They aren't the same;

80 years after, the average Russian probably profited more;

and an armed population would probably be bad for gangsters and the cartels, and perhaps the rich and powerful.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Please go have this conversation with yourself somewhere else so that I don't get the notifications.

[–] DMBFFF@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Why are you getting notifications? You aren't the OP.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Because you're replying to me dumb ass, not go ask yourself question to answer yourself elsewhere. I don't need the clutter.

[–] DMBFFF@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I was replying to u/masquenox.

Besides, I think it's over or almost over.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

No, you're just very confused. Have been ever since you started asking and answering yourself in this thread. Please stop.

[–] DMBFFF@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Maybe if I block you the notifications will stop.