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What did he say about John McCain? "I like people who weren't captured."
Trump has never given a shit about the military or veterans. I'm surprised at how many veterans love him.
The military doesn't attract the brightest minds.
Reminds me of a joke that did the rounds shortly after Finland joined Nato.
Finnish general: "You know, it's difficult, we have mandatory military service, but around 15% are unfit for service"
Other Nato generals: "That 15% is where we have to recruit from"
I don't know I think that's kind of a shitty thing to generalize about. Not sure where your located, but atleast here in the US there are plenty of folks who join the military at a young age to get themselves out of bad situations and try to correct the course of their life. Obviously there are a lot of people who join because of some dangerous nationalistic or racist ideals, but that structure and purpose can help some folks.
I went in because it's how poor kids go to college, here.
My buddy went in from Montgomery AL, as his economic alternatives were terrible, and he did report a high numbers of ex-felons attempting self-reform in his Marines unit; some with success, others missing the mark. He leveraged his time to great success by the time I met him, all his boyhood chums dead or jailed by 25.
I've known several members of my nation's armed forces who enlisted as a career and were capable of many other options, but they chose this one. We do choose it like Fireman, even though here it's thankless.
It seems entirely environment-dependent, though. I see one guy on here who claims to be ex-military but talks as if out of an armchair, and definitely has 'outlying' beliefs that would draw criticism from serving members.
I just can't predict it.
Yep that's right. I have friends who could've done many things with their lives but they value our armed forces and joined up instead. It's something I hold in high regard. It's not a washout only ensemble.
To be very clear I am talking about enlisting as a means to an end, not as an embrace of militaristic ideology or worship.
I feel that. I'm just saying.
Buddy, you do calculus under fire and report back to me how well you do. By the way, if you take too long you die. If you get the wrong answer, your friend dies.
I'm a reserve officer, trust me I have some idea. Also, you're missing the point by quite a margin.
I don't think I am. If you think everyone around you is dumb then I feel sorry for the people you're supposed to lead.
You're further proving that you missed the point.
My family has a few people who just got out of the military.
I explicitly pointed out that Trump called them, and their grandfather (whom they claim to love very much) suckers.
Their response was, more or less, "Yeah but Trump is better because he has balls!".
The majority of people in the military are, in fact, suckers.
From experience, you're not wrong. Let's be honest, being a service member doesn't separate them from their faults as humans. You take an undereducated kid from Mississippi and make him a Soldier, they're still that undereducated kid with no critical reasoning skills.
Please take my critical thinking away, I don't like it very much anymore. Seem like it's the only thing keeping me from happiness lately.
The military actually rejected Trump pretty hard. Enough conservatives in the military refused to vote for him in 2020 that it went blue for the first time since at least the Dixie Flip in the sixties. They aren't the group you should be worried about.
It's cognitive dissonance.
My family, in or out, are 7 shades of angry at those comments. But we aren't in range to vote for him or an opponent.
Our local conservative elitists may one day say the same thing, but as lifelong politicians from college they're smarter than that. If they did, I know too many of my family (who know better) would do mental backflips to somehow make it okay to still vote for them.
It'll sound like "yeah, well Milhouse said we're losers but Hairguy wore a tan jacket that one day so I'm still going with Milhouse" and I can only not invite them to Thanksgiving so hard.
Show them Lindsay Graham saying D-Day was a failure. Next we need to set one of those idiots up to say something bad about a medal of honor winner. Shouldn't be too hard. "Hey would you stand in front of an angry mob like Randy Shugart or Gary Gordon?"