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Nowadays Windows is filled with adware and is fairly slow, but it wasn't always like this. Was there a particular time where a change occurred?

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[–] cramola@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Not really slower, just more shit going on under the hood than ever before. Considering all of the novel ways to attack the operating system, the ubiquity and level of integration of computing in everything, the OS is a much higher value target than it used to be back in the days of Xp-7. However, MS has introduced numerous security features and significantly improved the built in AV. 10/11 is a hell of a lot more secure, but there is a performance cost to that. That and the software we run on top of it has only gotten more resource hungry and complex as well. There are also things that you might hate but are worlds better than they used to be. Updates are a lot faster, support automatic rollback and are practically flawless compared to the broken mess they used to be. We now have things that were never possible before, like first party tools to convert a MBR/BIOS-boot system to UEFI boot.

I'll concede the point about service advertisements, however depending on the edition that is suppressable. MS is not alone in its sinful capitalism however, MacOS is full of stuff like that too, they're just sneakier/more subtle about it. MS will have you griping about their promoted services or apps; Apple will have you licking their boots and not realizing it because you've deluded yourself. The only operating systems that are really free are the ones no company fully owns. I work with multiple different operating systems in an IT job, and the notion that it is acceptable to run old versions of Windows in this day and age or that they were objectively better is just nostalgic horseshit. It was always a corporate product, you're just chafing against that now.

[–] Wolf314159@startrek.website 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You know what's also good "built in AV"? Good design with code that's open to review. There's not nearly as much performance cost to good security if you start from a good foundation. Saying windows is slower because it's doing more security and more anti-virus is like saying I only run slow because I trip over my own feet. Like, no shit, but that's no excuse.

And singing the praises of updates and rollback systems that are like a decade behind everything else and still a consistent pain point for users is a little bit of weird fanboyism too.

[–] cramola@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

I wouldn't say the updates are 'like a decade behind everything else'. Like most things in software, there's a really broad array of what is available from really bad to really good and a lot of things are in between. If we're comparing major OS architectures in terms of market share, then we're comparing what, 6 things? Anyway. I'm a fan first of the ideologies and designs present in the linux/BSD world but I'm not willing to overgeneralize the difficulty of what has been achieved in other corners...and I guess mostly I'm sick of ignorant people saying "XP is the best, why can't I use it on my institutional device". My point about how the updates are actually good now was about pointing at the stupidity of thinking that the older versions were better when they quite clearly were not. It's not as simple as "oh the old stuff was so much better than now". That's reductivist thinking that doesn't even try to understand the massive complexity of the problems of computing and software development today. We are constantly increasing the amount of overhead that we are putting into our software, and people are wondering why things are not just endlessly getting faster when we're improving the hardware year over year. It's like folks complaining about the idea of "planned obsolecence" when that obsolescence is a consequence of all the additional shit that you are requiring a computer to do. I'm not just talking about one vendor here, or one operating system, I'm just tired of these kinds of statements with so little thought behind them.

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