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You don't have to read the subtitle of the news to see that no, Ukraine does not consent and the headline is, at best, biased. This is manipulative and childish.
Cry more nazi loser
What a great point yours. Take a peanut
All that matters is if the people of Donbass assent. Kyiv can kick rocks.
I agree with that, but the post talks about Ukraine in a global way and the news itself links says that that is not true
So what you're complaining about is a biased title... even though the subtitle explicitly makes clear the way in which you think the title could be interpreted as biased? Putting that in the subtitle is the opposite of how you think it's being manipulative. And even if it weren't, that's not "childish."
If you think that's manipulative, let me blow your mind by introducing you to NYT, WaPo, BBC, or literally any mainstream western media that straight up lies in the title, doubles down in the subtitle, and maybe if you're lucky buries a nugget of truth near the bottom of the article in a passing mention surrounded by weasel words.
Also, do you think the (checks notes) Kyiv Post is a Russian propaganda rag, and they're being manipulative on the part of that dastardly Putin or something? lol
I don't know how to answer two comments at the same time but this is also for @footfaults@hexbear.net , when I say headline, I mean the one from the post, not the one from the newspaper, which is not manipulative, I'm sorry if I haven't expressed myself perfectly, English isn't it's my language.
Regarding the rest of your comment, I would like to say that yes, the Western press has been truly embarrassing for years, but arguments of the type "and your more" have never led any movement anywhere.
Ok, well I appreciate the comment and I stand corrected. Your meaning in the first comment was a bit ambiguous but on rereading it I can see that it makes sense that you're referring to the post title, not to the article title. That said, the post title is referencing a meme and might make more sense in that context, but it is also not wrong. This war continues to be waged due to the insistence of NATO (essentially the US) that it continue. The opinions or consent of the Ukrainian people is immaterial to those in control, and Ukrainians will keep being sent to fight and die regardless of whether or not the majority of them actually wants to sue for peace or make territorial concessions (a position that is almost certainly being suppressed).
Also immaterial. What I said had nothing to do with leading a movement, it was merely calling a spade a spade and pointing out hypocrisy.
Again I apologize if my expressions are confusing, English is not my native language and I am sorry if my grammar is poor, I understand that it is 100% my mistake.
As for the rest, I know the meme perfectly, and that doesn't make it make more sense, maybe in a hypothetical situation where the surveys gave a different majority opinion of the Ukrainian population what you say would happen, but we are not talking about hypothetical things to make jokes about, we are talking about real surveys that say the opposite of the meme that heads this post .
I think there are plenty of arguments against the war, against the actions of the USA and against the shipment of weapons without having to justify false jokes
In any case, thank you for being kind in your reasoned response, not everyone has had that education with a dissenting opinion.
It's one of the leading English language newspapers in Ukraine.
Like what kind of cope are you huffing
Right we have to revisit the topic in a few months, at the current rate opinion is changing.
Well, it's possible, the trend seems clear, but let's send the jokes and memes then, to say now that Ukraine consents is to lie
If the decision of people to keep throwing themselves into the meat grinder for the sake of their political and economic rulers were really so "democratic" and freely made, there'd be no reason for Ukraine to do massive conscription, keep military-aged men from leaving the country, and try to get Europe to deport men of Ukrainian citizenship back to Ukraine.
Ask yourself what the actual questions posed were and who they were asked of. I wonder what you'd think of it if I "volunteered" you to go die in a futile charge against Russian artillery. I suspect you'd change your mind a bit about a prospective ceasefire with handcuffs on, guns to your back, and moments away from reaching the front lines. Meanwhile, if I consider your life a small price to pay, I might very well sit pretty and keep approving of the slaughter. Should we really each have an equal say over your fate?
IMO it is kind of significant than the West-friendly press is losing ground in terms of being able to find people who they are able to say are "favorable to the war", despite their best efforts to manufacture consent. But it's still not all that believable and legitimate as an overall picture of the war, its consequences, and the working-class attitudes toward it.