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Online Party Discipline? (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 1 year ago by urshanabi@lemmygrad.ml to c/comradeship@lemmygrad.ml

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Hello comrades, I read a comment on a post either on lemmygrad or hexbear talking about how most discourse happening was of poor quality and indicative of a lack of genuine leftist groups in the imperial core. Basically if there were patty's with some teeth they would enforce party discipline and education and that would lead to higher quality discourse online.

I also read some of Lenins2ndcat's comments which were very patient when they were interacting with users from other communities.

Is there anyway to work on like, an online party discipline? Or like having users who are very good at discussing with libs have a more concerted approach to their interactions? It really seems that much of us are often too aggressive and meme-y and as fun as that is it really isn't productive.

I get that this isn't how praxis or anything happens, it seems more like the way we engage could be more productive and fruitful in the long term and considerations like this might go a long way.

TL;DR Planned economy but for memeposting

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[–] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I disagree that content in places like this can't help change people's minds. The old /r/communism and /r/genzedong were an important part of dispelling anticommunist propaganda for me, and while deprogramming people doesn't have a lot of material significance by itself, at least part of the people who are convinced are going to end up doing praxis

[–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago

If I hadn't found genzedong I might still be a vaushite.

[–] DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It do be like that. GenZedong radicalized me and I joined the party afterwards. Without GenZedong I may not have gotten that far.

[–] KommandoGZD@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Same honestly. At the very least it would've taken longer or gone via very different routes. I was already very far in radicalization before I found that sub, but it did play a big part in transfering that radical energy into praxis. But GZD was explicitly not about discussing with libs, it was dunking and meming on them. It was the discussions among comrades that I found most valuable to me. Comrades talking about their organizing efforts in the real world that got me motivated. That was something I had not experienced in real-life before and that's what I sought and found in real organizing.

[–] cucumovirus@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes, to reach people we need to be where the people are, and nowadays a lot of people are online. Of course, this shouldn't and can't replace real life organizing, but it should supplement it.

From Roderic Day's 'The Virtual Factory':

this doesn’t mean that the amount of time we spend online should be treated as something shameful, silly, or superficial. It absolutely deserves to be handled with greater seriousness and discipline.

(...)

There is no way to retreat into a pre-internet era. Instead of self-flagellating and guilt-tripping, pretending we can escape our wired future by unplugging, we need to take our participation in the medium seriously and in a way that integrates well with our offline organization.

[–] WIthoutFurtherDelay@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

There is no way to retreat into a pre-internet era. Instead of self-flagellating and guilt-tripping, pretending we can escape our wired future by unplugging, we need to take our participation in the medium seriously and in a way that integrates well with our offline organization

GOOD quote

[–] urshanabi@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Nice! This is so much more eloquently put. This is more of what I had in mind.

[–] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago

It also helps that a lot of leftist are often ostracised from their own communities/families and have no other place than the internet to connect with other people. I deeply believe that online communities can be great gateways to "not thinking you're insane" when it comes to having sensible politics nowadays.