Russia reducing its presence at nuclear plant, says Ukraine (www.theguardian.com)

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[-] lenux12343@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

This is interesting, is it because they are loosing territory or planning to blow it?

[-] ciko22i3@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago

Russia is reducing its presence at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, Ukraine’s military intelligence directorate (GUR) has claimed, with staff told to relocate to Crimea and military patrols scaled back.

The agency’s chief, Kyrylo Budanov, has alleged Moscow has approved a plan to blow up the station and has mined four out of six power units, as well as a cooling pond. Last week Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, said Russia was plotting a “terrorist attack”.

According to the GUR, several representatives of Russia’s state nuclear energy agency, Rosatom, have already left. Ukrainian employees who stayed at the plant and signed contracts with Rosatom had been told to evacuate by Monday, preferably to Crimea, it said.

I guess they could blow it up soon. Horrifying.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

This is pure deranged nonsense even IAEA says it https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/the-interview/20230629-iaea-saw-no-evidence-moscow-planning-attack-on-zaporizhia-nuclear-plant-but-anything-can-happen

[-] Muntjac@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Grossi asserted that he "didn't see that kind of development" on the ground, but also that "anything can happen, that is what worries me".

IAEA is not confirming it, but I think it's a stretch to get "pure deranged nonsense" from that quote.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 year ago

Thinking that Russia would blow up a nuclear power plant that Russia controls is deranged nonsense.

[-] Muntjac@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

...in your opinion. As per your link, the IAEA does not share your certainty.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 year ago

In the opinion of any sane person, and what IAEA says is that there is no substance to the conspiracy theory being peddled here.

[-] Muntjac@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

It is fascinating how personal biases shape our communications and beliefs.

[+] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml -7 points 1 year ago

i've seen this guy in many ukraine related threads shilling for the ruskies

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Right, Russia just keeps blowing up their own pipelines dams and nuclear power plants. Imagine being a grown ass adult and actually believing that. When nord stream was blown up all the imbeciles in the west screeched that it was Russia who did it. Now slowly admissions are coming out that it wasn't Russia. Yet, here we are again each time a piece of infrastructure Russia controls, people inexplicably think that Russia destroyed it.

[+] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml -9 points 1 year ago

The leading theory with the nord stream pipeline explosion is that putin ordered it to make "business as usual" not an option for those in russias political sphere who would have prefered the resumption of gas to europe over Putins goals in Ukraine. no pipeline, no way back. ultimately no one knows for sure who did it but thanks for bringing it up.

"Now slowly admissions are coming out that it wasn't Russia."

nope. Russia is still the lead suspect.

Russia blew up the nova khakovka dam in an attempt to stop Ukrainians launching amphibious assaults accross the dniepr and taking their land back.

Now that Ukrainians have a foothold on the left bank of the dniepr near Kherson all of a sudden there is talk of a radiation release from the NNP conveniently placed westwards of kherson with easterly and south easterly prevailing winds.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Perhaps that's the leading theory on 4chan or wherever you get your news from, but none of the mainstream western media suggests anything of the sort. In fact, the latest western theory is actually that Ukraine did it:

The European intelligence made clear that the would-be attackers were not rogue operatives. All those involved reported directly to Gen. Valery Zaluzhny, Ukraine’s highest-ranking military officer, who was put in charge so that the nation’s president, Volodymyr Zelensky, wouldn’t know about the operation, the intelligence report said..

Thanks for letting me know that there is no point continuing this discussion since I'm talking to a conspiracy theorist as opposed to a rational and informed person.

[-] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A basic search debunks a lot of what is in that article

They further cited a named lieutenant commander of the Danish navy and analyst at the Royal Danish Defence College for several reasons why it is not credible that such a small vessel was used for the sabotage. The force of the explosion and the widely dispersed debris implies that several hundreds of kilograms of explosives were used, an amount that is impractical to transport with such a small sailboat. Secondly, it is surprising that traces of explosives were found on the yacht, since in this case clearly no homemade explosive device was used. Thirdly, accurately placing the explosives on the bottom above the pipeline at 60–80 meters depth from a small surface vessel is practically impossible. The skepticism was shared by a named former chief analyst of the Danish Defence Intelligence Service now senior analyst in the Danish think tank Europa. The naval officer instead speculated that a submarine was used to place the explosives and pointed out that a sonar-equipped submarine can, with relative ease, accurately place a naval bottom mine with 500 kg of explosives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Nord_Stream_pipeline_sabotage#Involvement_by_Ukraine

[-] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

They blew up a dam they controlled. why not a nuclear power plant?

[-] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Has Russia claimed that?

[-] ElegantBiscuit@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Russia has claimed to destroy more of every system than the west has sent, before they were even fully sent. Visually confirmed loss data has proven that Russia lies consistently about loss ratios vs Ukraine and number of systems and personnel lost, and have been throughout the entire war. Ukraine lies to some degree too, but no where near as much the Russians lie. You can believe me if you want, and I know you probably won't, but for everyone else reading, anyone telling you to take the russian claims as truth (or Ukrainian for that matter, or anywhere that isn't open source and/or transparent about its methodology with plenty of proof to back it up), is probably lying to you, either willfully or ignorantly.

[-] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago

No but they didn't claim the mass graves in bucha either so i am reluctant to trust their silence

[-] zosu@vlemmy.net 0 points 1 year ago

probably a bit of both :/

[-] realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com -3 points 1 year ago

@lenux12343 I'd presume that #Putin will likely pull out of #Ukraine entirely if he doesn't win soon (within the next two-three weeks), looking at the support #Prigozhin was able to get among the citizens of #Russia

[-] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Wanna bet?

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