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Why does left wing advocates hate centrists? (lemy.lol)

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I just noticed that one of the news communities here discourage the use of least biased/centrist news sources and I saw some people who put that they hate centrists in their bios.

All is that is kind of weird to me and does not make sense, as I thought that all sides should encourage ideas from centrists and least biased sources.

Is there is something that I miss here?

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[-] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 54 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

TL;DR because I get the feeling that investing any more energy here is a waste of time:

don't be the asshole in the middle

and

literally can't tell the difference

(E: one of the main things OP seems to be missing is that capitalism is just as much a system of oppression as racism, sexism, and the rest are)

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 37 points 2 months ago

Yep, even MLK was saying it decades ago:

I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

https://letterfromjail.com/

For some reason I don't think OP will ever read that letter tho...

[-] InquisitiveApathy@lemm.ee 25 points 2 months ago

They are reading the replies, but from their replies they just don't care about their own question. They're just a debate me chud.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Account is 3 days old, and of course OP couldn't resist implying this is a new account after their old one was deleted/banned in that little blurb no one fills out

They're not here for genuine discussion

[-] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago

Yup, I saw their one reply, which is why I edited mine lol

[+] True@lemy.lol -18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Politics is not as simple as black and white.

You could support the left wing on good ideas and support the good right wing ideas when they make sense and still fight injustices.

[-] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago

Exactly which "good right wing ideas" are you referring to? Criminalizing LGBTQ? Ending elections? Killing the immigration system? Shoveling money at the rich?

[+] True@lemy.lol -20 points 2 months ago

Stopping illegal immigration?
Reduce government spending?
Lower government control that harm the competition for small companies?

[-] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago

In reality:

Persecuting brown people, and breaking the system to make legal immigration impossible
Only applicable to things that help the poors, not applicable to billion-dollar military boondoggles or handouts for corpos
Legalize union busting and selling sawdust as food

[-] FireTower@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

not applicable to billion-dollar military boondoggles or handouts for corpos

You asked what good ideas to which he responded limiting government spending. Then you rebuke the notion that limiting wasteful spending is a fundamental good idea by criticizing politicians for not doing it in military boondoggles or with corporate welfare. Those are critiques of politicians not the ideas, as those negative examples are when the idea isn't applied.

I agree that we should curtail wasteful military spending and corporate welfare. But in advocating for those you yourself advocate for the idea of limiting government spending.

[-] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

My point is that the right doesn't care about actually reducing the deficit, they make noises about it when a Democrat is in office but the second they get power it magically disappears. It's just an excuse to be awful.
Remember Trump's big tax bill? 10 TRILLION in extra debt, mostly to cut taxes for the rich. What did he cut? A few million worth of stuff that actually helps people.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

By your logic someone can say they're voting for trump.to.make America great again, and you'd expect people to take that on face value and pretend it's an honest position.

Like, I don't know how to break this to you, but fascists lie about a lot shit, most of what they say are lies.

So demanding people pretend they're not lying, won't get you honest discussion, because that's not what you're doing.

[-] Fuzemain@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

If you don't think there's trump stans out there who believe trump will do just that you need to touch grass.

What is the lie there? That they actually picking a candidate who they want to make the country worse? The blunt truth is that to them the policies you don't like are good ones.

Insisting otherwise simply fuels polarization which furthers radicalization.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The blunt truth is that to them the policies you don’t like are good ones

And I could say I started smoking crack to make my workday as a pilot more productive, and it's safer because I'm more alert....

And anyone that agreed with me would be as stupid as I would be for saying that.

We don't have to treat every crazy thing someone says as valid because they believe it. Opinions aren't facts, and lots of opinions are very very stupid that doesn't make them magically viable. The real world doesn't work off Tinkerbell logic homie.

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