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SO SERIOUS.
This? This is the red line? Not January sixth? Or collusion with Russia? Or tax evasion? Or selling bibles he’s autographed? Or any of the federal laws he’s broken? 🙄
There's a chunk of the population for whom this is a very big deal, and it's easy to communicate what happened.
Right! This is far from the WORST thing he’s done but this plays so poorly with his god-fearing, gun-totin’ patriotism cosplayers.
It’s fine with me. Keep taking L’s donnie!
Thing is, they're just cosplayers. You don't obligate yourself to give a fuck about honor just because you dress up like a Klingon.
Shhh they don’t know that
I agree with you but it should never be left unmentioned that anyone who’s not mentally ill enough to let themselves be brainwashed into his cult, I.e. the people who still have some thinking ability left, but still isn’t completely put off by him since Birtherism, is a bad guy and will not be easily welcomed back into society.
In a way the totally crazy Trump fans can be let off easier because they don’t know what they’re doing.
Even the politically obtuse people still honor veterans. This story breaks out of the conservative news silos and the tribal hometown bars.
I guess America has to go chunk by chunk instead of NEVER IN THE FIRST PLACE PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS GUY IN CULTURE, BUSINESS, OR POLITICS. Sorry I yelled.
I won't hold my breath on enough of them changing their votes to change the poll numbers.
fair enough, but it may cause a significant number of people who may have voted for him to decide to not vote at all
And it's bound to come up at the debate (if the debate happens). Some of his low-info voters will hear about it for the first time that night, and it being a simple thing is important in that scenario.
The problem with those low info voters will be that they will not believe that Trump did something bad.
Humans have honored the dead since before homo sapiens. Laws can be complicated, contradictory, and confusing; respecting the dead is clear and primal.
Yeah, this probably won't change a lot of minds, but some folks will see there is something wrong about a man who would dishonor the dead to celebrate himself.
I really love how you phrased this
I appreciate your statement and generally agree. However, there is nothing complicated or contradictory about the harm caused in rape or the need to protect children from predators.
"You gotta remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new west. You know. Morons."
Every little bit helps
Also it helps that he’s going progressively off the rails as time goes on, so his reaction to getting caught for this stuff is getting less and less hinged month by month
The more population groups he (and by association the GOP) pisses off, the better. May the GOP pay dearly for choosing Trump as their Führer.
I think that most Americans, regardless of political affiliation and regardless of how they feel about the various wars we've been in over the centuries, find the idea of using our honored dead as political props profoundly offensive. I personally hope that this is the red line finally and the bastard can start facing some real consequences.
It very well could be the line among his supporters who are members of the armed forces, veterans, and their families.
They might have overlooked all the scandals and outrageous things through his campaigns, presidency, and sedition, but this is where many of them have buried their spouses, grandparents, family, and friends.
Currently seeing it happen, buddies who had overlooked issues in the past have started to look at him negatively. Before it was “he has always treated us right.” Now they might write in Rand Paul.
'He had always treated us right' lmfao. And they didn't get a medical discharge for blindness? Because they are blind.
And those are just the really big and obvious ones that I remember and can easily look up quotes about. I guarantee you that's not even a third of the list of the times he's actively disrespected the military.
Trump doesn't give half a fuck about you guys, you are not people in his eyes, you're just guns on legs. He thinks it is your destiny to go die making him a profit, for the simple reason that you are a lower class than he is. If you listen to the statements that come out of his very own mouth it is obvious how he feels this way.
Just another example that in Trump world only one thing counts: Trump. There are no principles . America does not come first. It’s really just him. Incredible how people can vote for someone like that.
January 6th is not seen as an insurrection but as citizens banding together to protect democracy. Collusion with Russia was always seen as a false attempt to make him look bad, especially with things like the dossier being faked. Tax evasion is considered smart if you can do it legally, and the New York prosecution for what the industry considers standard practice reinforced the perspective that it was weaponizing the justice system. Autographed bibles are no more sacrilegious than any of the megachurch/televangelist who buys a private jet because God wants him to to.
Each one of those hurtles may take someone out of his camp, but for some that will only be if there is a viable alternative. Keep in mind that the alternative on the democratic side is trying to end their 2nd amendment rights, open the borders to secure a permanent underclass voting block, and lose the national protection of God by persecuting Christians. It doesn't matter to what degree any of that is true, that is the hurtle they have to clear.
Since armed service is venerated more on the right than the left, and has higher percentages of veterans and their children, this might indeed be the straw that breaks the camel's back for some or many. He is grifting in so many areas, that if he is also shown to be a grifter on respecting the armed services in addition to being a false Christian and 1 percenter elite then parts of his base might see him as no better than the Democrats.
As a PR problem.
Liberals are gonna shake their heads REALLY hard this time. They might even say “tsk tsk” under their breath.