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I don't think the article included it and it's a little difficult to find the phrasing.
I found a sample ballot
https://www.boe.ohio.gov/clark/c/upload/ELEC_BallotProofs.pdf
The phrasing there is
However a vote of "Yes" would establish a non-partisan (or, IMO more accurately, a mixed partisan) committee of 15 (5R, 5D, 5 other) where a majority of the committee must approve the redistricting.
The extended description starts with this
Technically all of this is correct but I can absolutely see how it's misleading voters.
Full disclosure, I'm not a lawyer or political scientist and I do not live in Ohio.
As an ohioian, the current system isn't enabling some nobel pursuit of holding people accountable. It's blatantly "our team draws the lines, in a way that benefits our team, who can draw the lines next time, benefitting our team again"
And even after the R weighted supreme court rules "the lines are biased - throw out the map", they still find a way to use the map anyway. Yeah. Calling it a "repeal of gerrymander protection" is a joke and a half.
Yeah they’re completely unaccountable
The current maps are ‘illegal’. If you remember they were ordered to redraw the districts but have been using the maps from 10 or 12 years ago. There was no agreement on new ones and were ordered to keep redrawing but there was no teeth behind the order. There was a good NPR story on it last year.
They've updated the maps, my personal district changed the last couple years. But the maps they are using are still the ones the court explicitly ruled unconstitutional, I think from 2022. Brennan center has a nice timeline.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/timeline-ohios-gerrymandered-maps-how-ohio-politicians-defied-court
That timeline is just insane to me. They don’t apply honest maps and we still have to vote.
We don't have sample ballots yet, but this matches our local reporting:
This is grossly misleading of what we approved in the past.
We have the sample ballots:
https://www.boe.ohio.gov/clark/c/upload/ELEC_BallotProofs.pdf
And yet, when I look for my sample ballot:
But regardless, ballots were not finalized until this ridiculous ruling, and the county boards of elections will start making 'legal' sample ballots available shortly.
I guess let me rephrase- we have the proofs.
Thank you for sharing this clear and succinct comment. Looked through the article and didn't see it formated so clearly.
The entire ballot measure is riddled with lies and doublespeak. This is just one example, and that's what makes it hard to describe the problem in clear and succinct language. Vinny Gambini's opening statement comes to mind.
Wont the 5 others just be libertarians that always end up voting in lockstep with Republicans?
Not necessarily. Half of Americans are registered unaffiliated. I imagine most of those aren't libertarians. I'm registered unaffiliated because I'm a socialist.
I'm registered unaffiliated because I'm an anarchist. Still voting though.