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The tax breaks in the Inflation Recovery Act are crucial to making the deal economically feasible, according to Constellation. They provide a credit for every megawatt hour of nuclear energy produced.

lmao so instead of this funding the energy transition it's just subsidizing the AI grift

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[-] egg1918@hexbear.net 14 points 1 day ago

Has anyone done the math on how much power one of those stupid AI images consumes?

[-] ComradeKingfisher@hexbear.net 14 points 1 day ago

Yes

spoilerEach time you use AI to generate an image, write an email, or ask a chatbot a question, it comes at a cost to the planet.

In fact, generating an image using a powerful AI model takes as much energy as fully charging your smartphone, according to a new study by researchers at the AI startup Hugging Face and Carnegie Mellon University. However, they found that using an AI model to generate text is significantly less energy-intensive. Creating text 1,000 times only uses as much energy as 16% of a full smartphone charge.

Their work, which is yet to be peer reviewed, shows that while training massive AI models is incredibly energy intensive, it’s only one part of the puzzle. Most of their carbon footprint comes from their actual use.

The study is the first time researchers have calculated the carbon emissions caused by using an AI model for different tasks, says Sasha Luccioni, an AI researcher at Hugging Face who led the work. She hopes understanding these emissions could help us make informed decisions about how to use AI in a more planet-friendly way.

Luccioni and her team looked at the emissions associated with 10 popular AI tasks on the Hugging Face platform, such as question answering, text generation, image classification, captioning, and image generation. They ran the experiments on 88 different models. For each of the tasks, such as text generation, Luccioni ran 1,000 prompts, and measured the energy used with a tool she developed called Code Carbon. Code Carbon makes these calculations by looking at the energy the computer consumes while running the model. The team also calculated the emissions generated by doing these tasks using eight generative models, which were trained to do different tasks.

Generating images was by far the most energy- and carbon-intensive AI-based task. Generating 1,000 images with a powerful AI model, such as Stable Diffusion XL, is responsible for roughly as much carbon dioxide as driving the equivalent of 4.1 miles in an average gasoline-powered car. In contrast, the least carbon-intensive text generation model they examined was responsible for as much CO2 as driving 0.0006 miles in a similar vehicle. Stability AI, the company behind Stable Diffusion XL, did not respond to a request for comment.

AI startup Hugging Face has undertaken the tech sector’s first attempt to estimate the broader carbon footprint of a large language model.

The study provides useful insights into AI’s carbon footprint by offering concrete numbers and reveals some worrying upward trends, says Lynn Kaack, an assistant professor of computer science and public policy at the Hertie School in Germany, where she leads work on AI and climate change. She was not involved in the research.

These emissions add up quickly. The generative-AI boom has led big tech companies to integrate powerful AI models into many different products, from email to word processing. These generative AI models are now used millions if not billions of times every single day.

The team found that using large generative models to create outputs was far more energy intensive than using smaller AI models tailored for specific tasks. For example, using a generative model to classify movie reviews according to whether they are positive or negative consumes around 30 times more energy than using a fine-tuned model created specifically for that task, Luccioni says. The reason generative AI models use much more energy is that they are trying to do many things at once, such as generate, classify, and summarize text, instead of just one task, such as classification.

Luccioni says she hopes the research will encourage people to be choosier about when they use generative AI and opt for more specialized, less carbon-intensive models where possible.

“If you’re doing a specific application, like searching through email … do you really need these big models that are capable of anything? I would say no,” Luccioni says.

The energy consumption associated with using AI tools has been a missing piece in understanding their true carbon footprint, says Jesse Dodge, a research scientist at the Allen Institute for AI, who was not part of the study.

Comparing the carbon emissions from newer, larger generative models and older AI models is also important, Dodge adds. “It highlights this idea that the new wave of AI systems are much more carbon intensive than what we had even two or five years ago,” he says.

Google once estimated that an average online search used 0.3 watt-hours of electricity, equivalent to driving 0.0003 miles in a car. Today, that number is likely much higher, because Google has integrated generative AI models into its search, says Vijay Gadepally, a research scientist at the MIT Lincoln lab, who did not participate in the research.

Not only did the researchers find emissions for each task to be much higher than they expected, but they discovered that the day-to-day emissions associated with using AI far exceeded the emissions from training large models. Luccioni tested different versions of Hugging Face’s multilingual AI model BLOOM to see how many uses would be needed to overtake training costs. It took over 590 million uses to reach the carbon cost of training its biggest model. For very popular models, such as ChatGPT, it could take just a couple of weeks for such a model’s usage emissions to exceed its training emissions, Luccioni says.

This is because large AI models get trained just once, but then they can be used billions of times. According to some estimates, popular models such as ChatGPT have up to 10 million users a day, many of whom prompt the model more than once.

Studies like these make the energy consumption and emissions related to AI more tangible and help raise awareness that there is a carbon footprint associated with using AI, says Gadepally, adding, “I would love it if this became something that consumers started to ask about.”

Dodge says he hopes studies like this will help us to hold companies more accountable about their energy usage and emissions.

“The responsibility here lies with a company that is creating the models and is earning a profit off of them,” he says.

[-] polpotkin@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago

Where's the one for gamers. It's the same GPU after all.

[-] AlbedoORourke@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago

this

There's also the energy usage around obsessively gripe-posting about AI to consider.

This is why we need a watts-used-per-unit-of-entertainment scale going so we can determine a treat hierarchy.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Reaching hard to run interference for those treat printers again, aren't you?

obsessively

The billionaires that own the most environmentally devastating data centers and the techbro startups that keep propping up new ones will probably manage just fine without your stanning for them.

[-] AlbedoORourke@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

Little known fact: If one can Musk-post exactly ten thousand times, it results in an insta-kill, freeing the denizens of earth from his tyrannical grasp once and for all.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago

Obsessing about my posts in a metagamey concern trolling way is still obsessing, just with less honesty and integrity.

[-] AlbedoORourke@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago

Scroll up homie, you replied to me (and edited your comments after posting as usual which is considered poor forum etiquette tsk tsk).

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

There's also the energy usage around obsessively gripe-posting about AI to consider.

This is why we need a watts-used-per-unit-of-entertainment scale going so we can determine a treat hierarchy.

"Homie," concern trolling in defense of treat printers and baiting me seems to be the sum of your post history.

considered poor forum etiquette tsk tsk

You already have the tech inevitabilism beliefs of a typical redditor (VR boardrooms everywhere, everyone wearing AR glasses, maybe even NFTs being the old hits that you probably also latched on to before) and now you're doing the civility concern trolling attempts of a typical redditor too.

Are you even a leftist? Proselytizing for billionaire tech grifts under "stop criticizing the ruling class and its excesses, it's going to happen anyway" sophistry doesn't seem like it.

[-] AlbedoORourke@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago

Leftism is obsessively AI and musk posting as if it were a full time job, and the more you do that the more leftist you are.

Remind the people why you had to take like a year off from posting (during which time the site was noticeably less annoying). Was it because you're too confrontational and were getting into to many heated arguments with people about stupid shit?

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 1 points 1 day ago

Do you have anything else to say but hypocritical obsessive concern trolling in defense of treat printers?

[-] AlbedoORourke@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago

Honestly, it's fascinating how committed you are to misinterpreting my intentions. I criticize obsessive AI griping not because I'm enchanted by techbro promises or "stanning for billionaires," as you so colorfully put it. Rather, I'm urging a balanced perspective; it's entirely possible to scrutinize the energy usage of various technologies—including gaming—without resorting to hyperbolic doomsaying or personal attacks.

You ask if I'm a leftist, as if one's entire political alignment could be judged by their stance on a specific facet of technology. Engaging critically with technology doesn't equate to blind support of its most excessive implementations.

Let's use this platform to foster constructive debate, not sanctimonious sniping. We're all here because we give a damn about the world and its future, right? Let's not lose sight of that common ground.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago

Honestly, it's fascinating

Your Redditisms are showing once again, right out of the starting gate.

misinterpreting my intentions

Right back at you. If you weren't so knee-jerk ready to jump into more concern trolling whenever the treat printers and how they're used are criticized, you'd have noticed by now that I had long establised that LLMs could be useful tools, but at present, they're primarily used in wasteful, destructive, and precarity-increasing ways.

You ask if I'm a leftist

Yes, and I'm asking again, because so far all I've seen from you is hypocritically obsessive "you seem obsessed about billionaires doing bad things" concern trolling posting and reactive apologia in defense of their latest grifts as if that's somehow uncalled for on a leftist shitposting forum.

Let's use this platform to foster constructive debate

sanctimonious sniping

You've gone way too far for that already. Dial back your own bullshit first.

We're all here because we give a damn about the world and its future, right?

Stop trying to hush people on a leftist shitposting forum for posting in ways you don't approve of. At this point I can't help wonder if you own a Tesla, considering how often you whine about me posting my-hero 's latest clown antics.

[-] AlbedoORourke@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago

yeah, I'm gonna just drop "disengage" again and next time maybe just don't reply to my comments please?

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

It's probably still a problem, but I think a lot more overall entertainment value comes out of the same amount of electricity use and carbon waste in bideo bames than in hitting a prompt button over and over again to get a satisfactory cyberpunkerino waifu to go with the hundreds to thousands already in the spank bank folder.

[-] polpotkin@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago

I don't think Microsoft is trying to reopen a power plant because theres some sort of modernist gooning wave happening, but I could be wrong.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 1 points 1 day ago

I don't think Microsoft is trying to reopen a power plant because theres some sort of modernist gooning wave happening, but I could be wrong.

It is a small part of it, but the larger part of it is primarily coming from expansions of the corporate surveillance state and even more data collection, not like that's better.

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