this post was submitted on 29 Sep 2024
114 points (98.3% liked)

askchapo

22765 readers
393 users here now

Ask Hexbear is the place to ask and answer ~~thought-provoking~~ questions.

Rules:

  1. Posts must ask a question.

  2. If the question asked is serious, answer seriously.

  3. Questions where you want to learn more about socialism are allowed, but questions in bad faith are not.

  4. Try !feedback@hexbear.net if you're having questions about regarding moderation, site policy, the site itself, development, volunteering or the mod team.

founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Basically a repost pf things I said in the mega, but anecdotally I'm hearing that sales of fiction read by men are dropping precipitously, and English and literature classes in colleges are now dominated by women. It seems like young men are not being exposed to literature in the same way that they used to. Like, when I was in high school and college, you could be a "bro" kind of guy and read Chuck Palahniuk, or Hunter S. Thompson, or David Foster Wallace. For decades, authors like Hemmingway and Bukowski found receptive audiences in young men, not to mention all the crime fiction, horror, sci-fi, and fantasy that men have traditionally consumed. The "guy in your English class who loves David Foster Wallace" was a stereotype for a reason. I read in another thread that music is less culturally important to young men than it used to be. It seems like younger men just straight up see no value in reading literature or fiction, or exposing themselves or critically engaging with art and music, because the algorithms just railroad them into Alpha Gridset world.

Am I wrong about this? Am I being condescending and out of touch, or is this a real thing that's happening, where the whole "male" culture is turning into grindset podcasts and streamers?

Edit: Okay, so the impression I'm getting is that everything is worse but also kind of the same as it ever was, which sounds right.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] GeorgeZBush@hexbear.net 37 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Most conversations I have with people my age start with "I saw this Tiktok...". Very dire. Don't care if I sound like a cranky boomer.

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 28 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Eh, this one is a funny point tbh, do you get the same reaction when someone says "I saw this YouTube video" or "I saw this on the news" etc?

[–] GeorgeZBush@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago

Depends on the context really, but yeah, sometimes. I don't mind any of it if other things get discussed, but it gets tiresome after a while.

[–] AndJusticeForAll@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

No one has ever been "i saw _____ on youtube" and it ever been anything morally good, very occasionally my IRL friend will reference a YT video essay or something, but otherwise it's usually something frivolous (not necessarily bad) or some heinous culture war shit.

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago

No one has ever been "i saw _____ on youtube"

I guess, but it's usually "this video is cool" or something like that. But it's usually a YouTube link

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

do you get the same reaction when someone says "I saw this YouTube video"

How could you not?

[–] The_sleepy_woke_dialectic@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Aren't tiktoks necessarily like <60 seconds? That's intentionally engineered to be more mindless than a YouTube at least has the potential to be. On the other hand, I hear on the news that the tiktoks are radicalizing the youths so I gotta give critical support.

On the OTHER other hand, it's an APP owl-pissed

I also appreciate that tiktok seems to intentionally lower the barrier to entry by (so I've heard) showing new accounts' videos to people, where youtube would bury them

[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That’s YouTube shorts. TikToks can be much longer than 1 min.

[–] The_sleepy_woke_dialectic@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

30 minutes I'm seeing online, that's decent for a video essay even.

[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I only started using TikTok cause a cool commie I follow on YouTube posts exclusive (long-form) content on TikTok 🤷‍♂️

And tbh I found many other cool commies on my FYP. Like the algorithm is much better than YouTube. YouTube will still from time to time suggest sigma grindset videos to me, or straight up fascist shit even. That has never happened on TikTok.