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[–] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 62 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (12 children)

Lemmy: Fuck cars!

Lemmy: Fuck the police!

Lemmy, when someone sabotages the most viable alternative to traffic stops to prevent people from speeding: Yes very good. This is good for society.

[–] Hildegarde@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago (3 children)

The most viable alternative to traffic stops is a narrow chicane with solid bollards on either side, although oher traffic calming devices are available.

Traffic cameras exist to generate revenue, not to make the streets safer. Intersections with red light cameras almost always have shorter yellow lights, to increase revenue while making the intersection less safe.

[–] NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Traffic Cameras can and do reduce speeding if implemented properly

[–] Hildegarde@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They are less effective than traffic calming.

[–] NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

I agree, but I'm pointing out that they do indeed help if implemented correctly

[–] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

What is "implemented properly" and how often does it happen?

[–] frazorth@feddit.uk 5 points 1 month ago

No. Traffic cameras in your area are there to generate revenue.

The camera being covered here is not at an intersection so your offtopic comment about revenue is irrelevant. This is a camera on a stretch of road where drivers usually speed, the cameras are painted bright yellow to make them obvious and do a far better job of getting people to slow for hazardous corners than a sign ever did.

[–] Vandals_handle@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In California the duration of yellow is determined by a formula incorporating the roads speed limit. If yellow light duration is less than the formula would set, the traffic ticket is dismissed. I'm guessing most states have a similar law.

[–] Hildegarde@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yes, and and those laws are frequently violated to farm more tickets.

[–] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

And good luck getting a judge to hear your side of it. Not impossible, but then you're missing a day of work for a maybe...

[–] Vandals_handle@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Another reason for a dash cam.

[–] WordBox@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Source on speeding cameras working for anything other than revenue generation?

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If that were the case, they would be hidden.

They are a deterrent for speeding most of all.

[–] remotedev@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The ones around here, everyone just slows down getting to that intersection, and then picks up speed again after crossing through

[–] driving_crooner 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's the main purpose of that cams. Slow drivers on strategic spots that have more chances of accidents.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago

That does make sense. Never thought of it that way.

[–] Nurgus@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In the UK (Where the op picture is) the police cannot collect the revenue from cameras and other fines. It all goes to the gov so the cops have zero financial incentive to install speed cameras.

[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How is this not "fuck the police" it's a camera, controlled by the police, to surveil people.

[–] auzy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It only surveils idiots who are speeding.

Why is this not fuvk people who put pedestrians, cyclists and other drivers in danger

[–] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 0 points 1 month ago

How do cameras make any difference?

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I dunno if you've tried, but I'm here to tell ya, cobble stone streets will absolutely stop speeding really quick.

[–] Norkos@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Nope, just observed it on this weekend on a cobble stone street in very bad condition. It was a 30 km/h zone and other drivers where more about 50.

While I, who only had a driver's license for 3 months, tried not to break the suspension of my car (obviously unfounded).

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 month ago

So it doesn't work because your sample size = 1?

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Traffic cameras ARE the police...

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Speed traps are just a tool to further monetize and rent seek car culture in the absence of public transit.

You can, in fact, hate both cars and infrastructure that exists solely to make using a car more expensive.

the most viable alternative to traffic stops

I have never heard of a town that reduced the size of its police force after installing a speed trap.

[–] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They do not exist solely to collect revenue, although they certainly do that as well. They have been proven time and again to reduce speeding and fatalities, as other commenters in this thread have pointed out. As far as using traffic cameras to reduce police forces, I haven't been able to find that exactly, but there are plenty of examples of deploying traffic cameras to work around a shortage of officers which works out to the same thing.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social -2 points 1 month ago

You know what else would reduce police forces? Eliminating car traffic entirely.

Cops spend the most time on ordinary traffic stops.

[–] renzev@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

Shitposts!? On MY shitposting community!?? It's more likely than you think!

[–] theonetruedroid@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Lemmy users can believe in different things. We need differing opinions or it just stifles a website.

[–] Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

LaLuzDelSol (on Lemmy): thinks Lemmy is one person

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Why do I keep talking to myself and contradicting every other thing I say?

(Taking this to its logical conclusion, in case I forget why I wrote this when I read it later and feel like arguing with myself about it)

[–] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I generalize ofc but those are definitely the prevailing viewpoints, which seem contradictory.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Better rule: when someone sabotaged surveillance state infrastructure, don’t post footage of them doing it

[–] archomrade@midwest.social -1 points 1 month ago

Lemmy try not to post crimes challenge - impossible. Granted, as far as crimes go, this one seems innocuous enough, but still.

I've been told repeatedly on c/piracy that lemmy is just too small to attract the attention of law enforcement and three-letter agencies

Paradoxically, I've also been told that lemmy is rife with state-sponsored troll farms, so....?

[–] PlexSheep@infosec.pub 1 points 1 month ago

Those are different kinds of lemmings

[–] NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Narrowing roads and making them less straight also lowers speeding

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

For reasonable people yes, but those that go 30km/h over the speed limit every time don't care and will always drive as fast as possible in those sections. I once met a guy who claimed to know down to the exact last km/h how fast he could drive until the car lost control in every single curve of a quite curvy road segment. Is it save to drive like that? Absolutely fucking not. Does he car(e)? Also absolutely fucking not.

[–] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

Speed cameras also won't stop someone like that. Though they might take nice pictures of the wreck.

[–] NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

People like that are gonna cause accidents anyways.

Studies have shown that accidents are more likely to be severe/fatal on wide, straight roads.